Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Samurai]

CHPM's take on the may conflict, and C.W's commentary:

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We often get fooled into believing that the world will buy into Pakistani narrative (especially if we are talking about American). This is not the case, because in heart they all have a sweet spot for India, no matter what or how badly India performs and even Indians doing bad shit inside America, the thing is, when it comes to India vs Pakistan, they will always take the side of Indians. Plus guys like him working on YT are smart and know that talking in support of India will provide them with millions of views. I mean this guy's channel ballooned during the May conflict and then why would he want to enrage his Indian viewers. So Pakistani should not care about such "background" noise and remain focused on the task ahead and future conflict.

 

[Vkdindian1]

clam down , he is just reporting what trump wrote .
but yes we will only know when the details come out

I wasn’t pointing at @falcon34 , but Mohsin Ali, whose tweet was quoted here.

 

[rafale]

Seriously these ex pilot YT are just yappers and dont have much knowledge outside their pilot role. One ex USAF pilot believes pakistan did not shoot down any IAF jets and only shot down decoys.

Him and his fellow cronies, their only claim to fame is that they are ex-USAF pilots........as if that is supposed to mean gospel and bible.

I mean, most of the shit they talk about can easily be discerned online elsewhere.

 

[Falcon26]

CHPM's take on the may conflict, and C.W's commentary:

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This guy is clearly biased and not worth sharing. Not sure why you thought an intentionally biased commentator was a good idea to share.

 

[Pradotlc]

Probably in regards to India's Republic Day.

I personally believe Pakistan did shoot down between 4-6 planes, with four planes having definite evidence behind them.

I also believe that the claim of 4+ Rafale jets being shot down was a stretch, but agree that PAF had the ability to shoot down more than what was shot down, and that restraint was taken.

That said, it is entirely reasonable to believe that the Indian government would seek to negate/hide losses from their audience due to several factors, including the bloodthirst that many of their domestic audience crave (because of what is fed to them by their gov't and media).

We also know that the Indian establishment (including media), have no problem using the Indian military as props/entertainment (see: Modi photoshoot behind S400 battery, Amitabh Bachhan interviewing/hosting military leadership on a game show, media doing the rounds on Shivangi Singh before the conflict, etc).

And finally, we also know that telling outlandish lies is not something new to the political establishment, including the Indian military (see: the claims by Indian Air Chief of many Pakistani jets being shot down, including an AWACS, several months after the conflict, but "surprisingly", no on the ground videos showing such nor any international agreement (media, political heads of countries, etc)).

Therefore, in my opinion, it is justified to consider any claims that a cover-up was done in order to appease their own audience. Whether you believe it, well, that depends on you.

All very well …

But the fundamental question Indians should ask them selves “ what did this all achieve ? “

You claim and again your claim was to punish Pakistan for terrorism …

Then by those yard stick absolutely nothing was achieved … not a single civilized country on the planet condemned Pakistan…worse fo you lot Pakistan moved up international community… and literally no body was hearing or issuing statements on “Pakistani terrorism”..


Did you kill “terrorists”… apart from a hundred women and children and a few officers sure

Never have I seen so much resources utilized to achieve almost zero ..

 

[air marshal]

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[NA71]

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Well our fling with america comes to an end.

Its not Trump's fault... we stooped too low trying to be loyal ....sadly.

Now you won't hear "jets down" wali statement from Trump's mouth ...

 

[Ali_Baba]

Its not Trump's fault... we stooped too low trying to be loyal ....sadly.

Now you won't hear "jets down" wali statement from Trump's mouth ...

The statements are a matter of factual history now. That is all that is required.

 

[sphinxpasha]

Both nations are habitual and compulsive liars - particularly the establishments!

 

[RocketLaw]

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Well our fling with america comes to an end.

Keep in mind - this is definitely one of the WORST deals of all time for India.

A full pivot from Russia to the US and completely wrapped in US economic bows.

India gave up a lot of things to please the U.S, you need to read it carefully in both agreements.

 

[BonPlan]

A swiss document about may 2025 conflict.

https://chpm.ch/wp-content/uploads/Operation-SIndoor-15-January-2026.pdf

"This clash between the Pakistan and Indian air forces initially saw the former achieve a clear tactical victory by shooting down several enemy fighters, then largely fail in its conduct of strikes over Indian territory, as those were countered by an integrated air defence system whose effectiveness was one of the surprises of the conflict. Conversely, the Indian Air Force managed to significantly degrade the enemy's air defence system, then concluded the conflict by carrying out a series of spectacular strikes against Pakistan’s principal Air Force stations. Thus, by achieving clear air superiority, India coerced Islamabad into requesting a ceasefire. This episode provides valuable lessons on the tactical and operational plans, particularly because it illustrates the strong interpenetration between the military and communication lines of operation, as well as a paradigm that has been consistently confirmed over the years, namely the crucial role of long-range strikes. On the strategic plane, Operation Sindoor has led to conventional military clashes of considerable magnitude between two de facto nuclear-weapon states with differing doctrines regarding the use of nuclear weapons, which made the situation very tricky to handle, with a high risk of escalation and potentially catastrophic consequences."

 

[Vkdindian1]

Keep in mind - this is definitely one of the WORST deals of all time for India.

A full pivot from Russia to the US and completely wrapped in US economic bows.

India gave up a lot of things to please the U.S, you need to read it carefully in both agreements.

There is something called a middle path. A path that keeps you safe and doesn’t make you a slave of the only path available.

India proved that last year. As far as Russia goes, they aren’t dumb and bereft of Indian economic imperatives. They very well know limitations of Indian economic power and also what issues we have. Putin visited Delhi last year and must have been put in loop about all the issues at hand.

India did display fair amount of resistance to US and brought home a tariff lower than most others. That puts us at an advantage to quite a few others. It is not game changing one but enough to keep our businesses and get a competitive advantage to newer ones.

It may be a good idea to take a step back and take a zoomed out view and not get carried away by wishful outcomes.

 

[maverick]

Keep in mind - this is definitely one of the WORST deals of all time for India.

A full pivot from Russia to the US and completely wrapped in US economic bows.

India gave up a lot of things to please the U.S, you need to read it carefully in both agreements.

yes India had 50% tariff on US products for more than 50 years, and exploited US generosity interms of jobs and FDI by corporate america.

They are the most ungrateful nation i have met in this world.

 

[Ak01]

A swiss document about may 2025 conflict.

https://chpm.ch/wp-content/uploads/Operation-SIndoor-15-January-2026.pdf

"This clash between the Pakistan and Indian air forces initially saw the former achieve a clear tactical victory by shooting down several enemy fighters, then largely fail in its conduct of strikes over Indian territory, as those were countered by an integrated air defence system whose effectiveness was one of the surprises of the conflict. Conversely, the Indian Air Force managed to significantly degrade the enemy's air defence system, then concluded the conflict by carrying out a series of spectacular strikes against Pakistan’s principal Air Force stations. Thus, by achieving clear air superiority, India coerced Islamabad into requesting a ceasefire. This episode provides valuable lessons on the tactical and operational plans, particularly because it illustrates the strong interpenetration between the military and communication lines of operation, as well as a paradigm that has been consistently confirmed over the years, namely the crucial role of long-range strikes. On the strategic plane, Operation Sindoor has led to conventional military clashes of considerable magnitude between two de facto nuclear-weapon states with differing doctrines regarding the use of nuclear weapons, which made the situation very tricky to handle, with a high risk of escalation and potentially catastrophic consequences."

this document is utter rubbish and alot of the claims made are verifiably false.

if anyone wants a breakdown of the utter rubbish spewed in it, i will bother to rebuke it.

 

[maverick]

A swiss document about may 2025 conflict.

https://chpm.ch/wp-content/uploads/Operation-SIndoor-15-January-2026.pdf

"This clash between the Pakistan and Indian air forces initially saw the former achieve a clear tactical victory by shooting down several enemy fighters, then largely fail in its conduct of strikes over Indian territory, as those were countered by an integrated air defence system whose effectiveness was one of the surprises of the conflict. Conversely, the Indian Air Force managed to significantly degrade the enemy's air defence system, then concluded the conflict by carrying out a series of spectacular strikes against Pakistan’s principal Air Force stations. Thus, by achieving clear air superiority, India coerced Islamabad into requesting a ceasefire. This episode provides valuable lessons on the tactical and operational plans, particularly because it illustrates the strong interpenetration between the military and communication lines of operation, as well as a paradigm that has been consistently confirmed over the years, namely the crucial role of long-range strikes. On the strategic plane, Operation Sindoor has led to conventional military clashes of considerable magnitude between two de facto nuclear-weapon states with differing doctrines regarding the use of nuclear weapons, which made the situation very tricky to handle, with a high risk of escalation and potentially catastrophic consequences."

The author clearly missed out Pakistan massive retaliatory attacks on Indian targets using MLRS Fateh 1 and Fateh 2 missiles, dumping close to 90,000 tons of TNT in 4 hours.

And local air dominance is absolutely wrong, PAF major air forces were attacked and yes that is true, but the extensive damage talked about is wrong, minor yes, but majority of the missiles were veered off course as demonstrated in live presentations, it was largely a failure.

The author clearly did not go over Pakistan's live presentations on Indian Brahamos attacks on Pakistan, it clearly showed how Brahamos was neutralized.