Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Swiss. This word "Swiss" and its all authenticated ? Why should we listen to foreign accounts that are totally biased and about those USAF pilots. Just because a pilot is pilot doesnt mean he/she knows every plane in the world.
 
A swiss document about may 2025 conflict.


"This clash between the Pakistan and Indian air forces initially saw the former achieve a clear tactical victory by shooting down several enemy fighters, then largely fail in its conduct of strikes over Indian territory, as those were countered by an integrated air defence system whose effectiveness was one of the surprises of the conflict. Conversely, the Indian Air Force managed to significantly degrade the enemy's air defence system, then concluded the conflict by carrying out a series of spectacular strikes against Pakistan’s principal Air Force stations. Thus, by achieving clear air superiority, India coerced Islamabad into requesting a ceasefire. This episode provides valuable lessons on the tactical and operational plans, particularly because it illustrates the strong interpenetration between the military and communication lines of operation, as well as a paradigm that has been consistently confirmed over the years, namely the crucial role of long-range strikes. On the strategic plane, Operation Sindoor has led to conventional military clashes of considerable magnitude between two de facto nuclear-weapon states with differing doctrines regarding the use of nuclear weapons, which made the situation very tricky to handle, with a high risk of escalation and potentially catastrophic consequences."

Welcome back, nice to reenter PDF posting a Pro Indian piece written by vest interests in France/Dassault that we have debunked already.

Good luck this time round Rakesh
 
The author clearly missed out Pakistan massive retaliatory attacks on Indian targets using MLRS Fateh 1 and Fateh 2 missiles, dumping close to 90,000 tons of TNT in 4 hours.

And local air dominance is absolutely wrong,
Air dominance part does seem to be overstated. It wasn’t the case, inspite of IAF’s capability to strike deep, accurately and at will as shown on the 10th May. Skirmish never reached that level of conflict where such a verdict could be given.

As far as other claims go, they have quoted about the claims made and also about what can be verified. Independent VERIFICATION is the main crux here and not claims.

They have clearly spoken about tall claims by both sides but with no verification for many of those. ISPR claimed attack on 34 bases and the proof is Col Sphia’s statement about the attack. It doesn’t work that way in the real world.

The report hasn’t accepted Indian claims f shooting down Saab or F-16s. It just says that these are the claims.

They are correct though about verifiable damage on the ground on both the sides. Hasn’t this been a topic of discussion for quite some time on this thread too?

India fired less than 50 Brahmos, Scalp and Rampage. That would be a total of approx 50 x 250 =12,500 kgs of TNT. Thats just 12.5 -13 tons. As per your claim 90,000 tons was fired from your side. Thats a ratio of 1:7000 disparity of TNT used. That’s a lot of difference.

Inspite of such a huge disparity in firepower, who was able to produce verifiable results of damage to the other side? And these are not novice level Google earth images to create circumstantial proof. But professional work that has any weightage in BDA world.

Report says exactly that.
 
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Air dominance part does seem to be overstated. It wasn’t the case, inspite of IAF’s capability to strike deep, accurately and at will as shown on the 10th May. Skirmish never reached that level of conflict where such a verdict could be given.

As far as other claims go, they have quoted about the claims made and also about what can be verified. Independent VERIFICATION is the main crux here and not claims.

They have clearly spoken about tall claims by both sides but with no verification for many of those. ISPR claimed attack on 34 bases and the proof is Col Sphia’s statement about the attack. It doesn’t work that way in the real world.

They are correct though about verifiable damage on the ground on both the sides. Hasn’t this been a topic of discussion for quite some time on this thread too?

India fired less than 50 Brahmos, Scalp and Rampage. That would be a total of approx 50 x 250 =12,500 kgs of TNT. Thats just 12.5 -13 tons. As per your claim 90,000 tons was fired from your side. Thats a ratio of 1:7000 disparity of TNT used. That’s a lot of difference.

Inspite of such a huge disparity in firepower, who was able to produce verifiable results of damage to the other side? And these are not novice level Google earth images to create circumstantial proof. But professional work that has any weightage in BDA world.

Report says exactly that.

Minimum of 5 Fateh 1/2 combo were launched at each target, delivering 2500-3500 pounds (lbs) per target of TNT. Rest do the Maths of hitting 30+ Targets. i have given a conservative number, it is higher than this.

Sorry again, this will hurt, and again time is the biggest healer.
 
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There has been lot of ruckus and circus in the Indian parliament yesterday because Rahul Gandhi (leader of opposition) brought up the topic regarding an Indian 4-star general Manoj Naravane's memoir in which the general has revealed that Chinese army had beaten Indian army and taken parts of contested Ladakh region. Gandhi also brought up the recent revelation about Modi in the Epstein files and how India under Modi became subservient to the US in accepting the oil deal as well as the trade deal which is more favorable to the US and will put the Indian agricultural farmers at risk. I haven't seen the whole parliament debate but the starting highlights gives us the idea.

Personally I think having BJP rule India is good for Pakistan, because their stupidity and radical right-wing nationalist Hinduvta ideology has truly exposed them more than before during Congress era. And I think Congress is more clever and is raising concerns about join China-Pakistan nexus than BJP under Modi ever did.

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Minimum of 5 Fateh 1/2 combo were launched at each target, delivering 2500-3500 pounds (lbs) per target of TNT. Rest do the Maths of hitting 30+ Targets. i have given a conservative number, it is higher than this.

Sorry again, this will hurt, and again time is the biggest healer.
What damage did these Fatah caused? That report is also asking the same question as many rational posters here. Those who believe in objectivity and not “trust me bro”.

Firing is fine but causing damage and then providing proof are all part of the loop. ISPR has done only the part I of making the claim.

I a, sure, you would go into the same loop we have seen on the thread. Google earth images and a question - Tell me what is this?

That’s good for “Trust me bro” world, but not good enough for professionals who seek much more and the ones who wrote the report in question.

Same goes for Indian claims of shooting down aircraft on Pak side. They remain claims, till such time a verifiable proof is provided. As there is none till now, they fall in same class as Pak’s claims of damage on the ground this side.
 
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A swiss document about may 2025 conflict.


"This clash between the Pakistan and Indian air forces initially saw the former achieve a clear tactical victory by shooting down several enemy fighters, then largely fail in its conduct of strikes over Indian territory, as those were countered by an integrated air defence system whose effectiveness was one of the surprises of the conflict. Conversely, the Indian Air Force managed to significantly degrade the enemy's air defence system, then concluded the conflict by carrying out a series of spectacular strikes against Pakistan’s principal Air Force stations. Thus, by achieving clear air superiority, India coerced Islamabad into requesting a ceasefire. This episode provides valuable lessons on the tactical and operational plans, particularly because it illustrates the strong interpenetration between the military and communication lines of operation, as well as a paradigm that has been consistently confirmed over the years, namely the crucial role of long-range strikes. On the strategic plane, Operation Sindoor has led to conventional military clashes of considerable magnitude between two de facto nuclear-weapon states with differing doctrines regarding the use of nuclear weapons, which made the situation very tricky to handle, with a high risk of escalation and potentially catastrophic consequences."

Welcome back Patel.
 
This guy is crying like a baby. And also lying through his teeth because he can’t digest this news that he must have assumed would never come.

India has not removed tariffs on all the US stuff as this guy is claiming. India has not opened its farm sector to them. Let the details of the deal come out and we all would know. Modi won’t do a harakiri.

Infact India stood tall and has achieved one of the lowest tariffs in the world. Anyone who can’t accept it as an achievement has to be blind or motivated.

This is just a speculation at this time, but Trump might start making different kind of social media posts that could put his favourite FM into a tough spot.

nobody's crying

No matter what your govt does or accepts, the world no longer likes you guys or accepts you or RESPECTS you. They see india as a failed project that never launched.
The 2019 and May 2025 humiliation your nation suffered globally, is ongoing and it won't end.
Restarting your op tandoor will only result this time in total destruction of your so-called infra and economy without restraints.

Go suck on that, alongwith the hatred you all have "earned well" on yt.
See how the entire world and west hates you lot. And its your own people that keep earning it daily.

we want NOTHING to do with you lot, not even with the so-called indian muslims.
 
Swiss. This word "Swiss" and its all authenticated ? Why should we listen to foreign accounts that are totally biased and about those USAF pilots. Just because a pilot is pilot doesnt mean he/she knows every plane in the world.

the stupid dumb swiss are the scared bunch and busy building their nuclear bunkers due to fear of a Russian Nuclear strike on Europe.
go figure, the most racist qaum on earth, the swiss. They hate every foreigner yet love their money in their fucking banks
 

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