Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

Is that all? What are these pixelated photos supposed to prove exactly?

How do we know they aren't plain-clothed personnel?
How do we know where these photos are from?
How do we know they aren't AI-generated?

they are screenshots I took from video footage, I can share the videos as well but you might go metaphysical on me again

how do I know we are not in a simulation right now and the creator coded you to ask these silly questions

 

[ShapurII]

they are screenshots I took from video footage, I can share that but you might go metaphysical on me again

how do I know we are not in a simulation right now and the creator coded you to ask these silly questions

Why don't you show us the video footage then?
Do you deny the existence of plain-clothed personnel in protests?

You are the one who is claiming that millions of people dissatisfied with the situation are Israeli and American agents. You are the one who has to prove your claim, not me.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Why don't you show us the video footage then?
Do you deny the existence of plain-clothed personnel in protests?

You are the one who is claiming that millions of people dissatisfied with the situation are Israeli and American agents. You are the one who has to prove your claim, not me.

I don't have a problem with sharing the video footage:

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I don't believe millions of people protested let alone millions are foreign agents, so let's not make things up

most protestors were concerned with economic issues and peaceful, then small organised groups of armed rioters took over and that's when the crackdown happened as these terrorists systematically slaughtered hundreds of police officers and tried to start a civil war

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Protests in Tehran and other major cities were peaceful but were brutally suppressed with live ammo.

But even if we accept your version of events, it's still a huge security failure that foreign countries can pull off something like this in Iran in two days. No matter how you look at it, the regime doesn't come out of it looking good.

A brutal clash was needed because Iranian Monarchists/MEK/Separatists/Rioters, backed by western media and governments, became addicted to violent chants, violent acts and violent ideas, thinking that IRI will be soft like always. This time they underestimated the authorities.

They crossed the red lines and threatened the state and the security of Iranian nation at the cost of internal dialogue and reforms. So they hijacked the demonstrations to spoil any reformist movement.

Then the state finally used iron fist, and showed the morgues and bodies afterwards in a transparant way, indirectly warning spies and violent actors against trying it again. If this secures Iran for 5-10 years it will create stability and hopefully leave space for reforms.

 

[Persian Gulf]

A brutal clash was needed because Iranian Monarchists/MEK/Separatists/Rioters, backed by western media and governments, became addicted to violent chants, violent acts and violent ideas, thinking that IRI will be soft like always. This time they underestimated the authorities.

They crossed the red lines and threatened the state and the security of Iranian nation at the cost of internal dialogue and reforms. So they hijacked the demonstrations to spoil any reformist movement.

Then the state finally used iron fist, and showed the morgues and bodies afterwards in a transparant way, indirectly warning spies and violent actors against trying it again. If this secures Iran for 5-10 years it will create stability and hopefully leave space for reforms.

yep exactly

groups of these rioters have a very extreme mentality and openly chant about brutal murder and rape of police forces

even that Jew Goldie went on Piers Morgan show and openly threatened to dismember Marandi (we will only leave his finger, or something like that) to a global audience, and faced no consequences, of course

 

[ShapurII]

I don't have a problem with sharing the video footage:

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I don't believe millions of people protested let alone millions are foreign agents, so let's not make things up

most protestors were concerned with economic issues and peaceful, then small organised groups of armed rioters took over and that's when the crackdown happened as these terrorists systematically slaughtered hundreds of police officers and tried to start a civil war

But the video footage you shared is not from Tehran.

Again, that's your version of the story. There is no evidence that armed rioters took over in cities like Tehran. Feel free to provide some evidence, but protests in the majority of neighborhoods in Tehran were completely peaceful and limited to chanting slogans and still, they were brutally oppressed and fired at.

 

[Arash]

Wrong!

In return you only demand... parity!
Demand disarmament of zion!
If zion is not the head honcho and threat to the whole region the missile program becomes negotiable.
One cannot disarm giving unfair advantage to tiny parasite.

Well he can go f....... himself for what we care...

 

[ShapurII]

A brutal clash was needed because Iranian Monarchists/MEK/Separatists/Rioters, backed by western media and governments, became addicted to violent chants, violent acts and violent ideas, thinking that IRI will be soft like always. This time they underestimated the authorities.

They crossed the red lines and threatened the state and the security of Iranian nation at the cost of internal dialogue and reforms. So they hijacked the demonstrations to spoil any reformist movement.

Then the state finally used iron fist, and showed the morgues and bodies afterwards in a transparant way, indirectly warning spies and violent actors against trying it again. If this secures Iran for 5-10 years it will create stability and hopefully leave space for reforms.

Well, prepare yourself for recurrent protests like this from now on. Every few months, or every year or so.

We went from peaceful Mahsa Amini protests by a bunch of teenagers to this in a span of 3 years. Great security achievement. Seriously. When protests become violent, it will spiral out of control very fast. Particularly in a country like Iran with no proper border control and thousands of kilometers of land and maritime borders with countries that are controlled by the US and Israel.

Also, remember that next times in a not too distant future, cutting the internet will no longer work as more and more smart phones are supporting satellite internet.

 

[Kyussis]

Good points.

Can I just say this loudly now on pdf?
If Iran's missiles were ineffective and "not accurate " (accuracy matters, but deadliness matters way more)as a few active posters said during and after the operation True promise 2, then why the he'll would US assemble a large partof its military arsenal against Iran, to take put its ballistic missiles ,which it is unprepared to handle the fall out of a potential war with US?

My only conclusion is that Iran's missiles performed so well in the last exchanges Iran had with Israel, that US and israel are willing to risk losing a war with Iran in front of the world, just to try to neutralize the power of Iran's missiles.
This is confirmation that Iran's proof of concept related to its military doctrine heavily relying on missiles is valid and deadly for its enemies. The know-how cant be removed and neither can all the locations of missiles in Iran be destroyed. Us didnt even find all of saddams Scuds in the initial phase of the Iraq war,and saddam had a crude arsenal of missiles and a much smaller country to hide them than Iran.

You are gonna hurt some of our American "Iranian" friends here!

 

[mangekyo]

Guys. I hate the zios. I don’t want monarchists to take over. There were armed and unarmed rioters who killed security forces. But we must acknowledge that security forces did also kill a lot civilians and this will come back to haunt us one day.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Well, prepare yourself for recurrent protests like this from now on. Every few months, or every year or so.

We went from peaceful Mahsa Amini protests by a bunch of teenagers to this in a span of 3 years. Great security achievement. Seriously. When protests become violent, it will spiral out of control very fast. Particularly in a country like Iran with no proper border control and thousands of kilometers of land and maritime borders with countries that are controlled by the US and Israel.

The system adjusted itself after the Mahsa protests and ultraconservatives lost power because of stupid policies, nationalism increased (especially after 12 days war which United people and government).

Until now the government acted quite soft against violent rioters. Burning down buildings or trying to overrun military/police forces, throwing molotov cocktails, bricks, shooting towards security forces, chanting against the leader/state should be answered by Iron fist.

Iranian should understand difference between peaceful demonstrations and terrorism/killing policeman/Burning public properties, tax offices, mosques, libraries etc.

This is a deep cultural problem. We dont like rules and become violent because we cant control our emotions and start to act irrational.

Reforming our culture through education, upbringing, media, backed up by the Iron fist of the state security apparatus, in case that red lines get crossed, is a must.

 

[ShapurII]

Guys. I hate the zios. I don’t want monarchists to take over. But we must acknowledge that security forces did kill a lot civilians and this will come back to haunt us one day.

Not just "one day". A lot sooner than what most of these people anticipate.

Our schools were closed for 3 weeks. Some children didn't go to school for nearly a month. Universities have been closed too. Some of our students did not even take their final exams. This isn't normal, is it?

The situation in Iran is far from normal. It strongly resembles the last days of the last Pahlavi before the 1979 revolution. Again, I am constantly reminded of the cliche that says dictatorships do not believe the signs of the forthcoming fall until the last minute before it's over.

 

[ShapurII]

The system adjusted itself after the Mahsa protests and ultraconservatives lost power because of stupid policies, nationalism increased (especially after 12 days war which United people and government).

Until now the government acted quite soft against violent rioters. Burning down buildings or trying to overrun military/police forces, throwing molotov cocktails, bricks, shooting towards security forces, chanting against the leader/state should be answered by Iron fist.

Iranian should understand difference between peaceful demonstrations and terrorism/killing policeman/Burning public properties, tax offices, mosques, libraries etc.

This is a deep cultural problem. We dont like rules and become violent because we cant control our emotions and start to act irrational.

Reforming our culture through education, upbringing, media, backed up by the Iron fist of the state security apparatus, in case that red lines get crossed, is a must.

The only reason I am participating in discussions like this is out of respect for people like you and @Persian Gulf, whom I believe want the best for Iran, hoping that it would make you guys think about the situation from a different perspective. Other than that, the situation is crystal clear for any observer inside or outside Iran.

Iran needs major reforms, not just half-assed measures like allowing teenage girls not to wear the headscarf. People want major reforms. The list is too long, but I am sure you can think of many things that have to be changed on your own.

You are in no position to answer anything with the iron fist. First of all, Iran belongs to Iranians, not Ayatollahs. Secondly, I am not sure if you understand this or not, but the regime in Iran is despicable by all standards. No country in the world wants to be associated with the regime in Iran. Not even pro-Palestine people, not even Russia, nor China. The regime in Iran has no true friends. Your only friends are rag-tag militias that have been receiving money from us but have proven to be useless in time of need. In other words, they are leeches, not true friends.

People inside Iran were the last remaining stronghold of this regime that made war-mongers like the rightwing in the US unwilling to take on Iran. Without the support of Iranians, the days of this system are numbered. This is why Trump has become 10x more aggressive since 4 weeks ago.

 

[Kyussis]

what am I in denial about?

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I think you are in denial if you don't want to call this flame throwing device a flamethrower

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do these look like peaceful protestors to you?

Trump and Pompeo say they helped Iranian protestors a lot, and suddenly these armed rioters emerge, what a coincidence, I am sure

Clearly these were IRGC terrorists killing Basijis to blaim the Peaceful protesters who were doing only peaceful things like Burning down Hospitals and Libraries to protest the economy!/S

 

[Kyussis]

Well, prepare yourself for recurrent protests like this from now on. Every few months, or every year or so.

We went from peaceful Mahsa Amini protests by a bunch of teenagers to this in a span of 3 years. Great security achievement. Seriously. When protests become violent, it will spiral out of control very fast. Particularly in a country like Iran with no proper border control and thousands of kilometers of land and maritime borders with countries that are controlled by the US and Israel.

Also, remember that next times in a not too distant future, cutting the internet will no longer work as more and more smart phones are supporting satellite internet.

Those "peacefull Mahsa Amini poresters' killed 60-80 security officers.