Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

well Israel is still concerned

in the next war Iran can theoretically fire 1000+ missiles at central Tel Aviv

even if only 100 get through, 100x 750kg warheads impacting at mach 4+ results in a lot of damage in your capital city

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Israel claims only c. 50 missiles impacted in Israel (most of them outside urban areas), and there were 40,000+ compensation claims for private residences or buildings

now if all of these were concentrated on central Tel Aviv, with bigger warheads, and twice as many impacts, you can see why Israel views it as a big threat and is happy to encourage Trump to end IRI or the missile program

What are you going to do for defense? Offense alone is not going to win you a war.

Israel killed hundreds of Iranians on the last day of war. What did Iran do? How many Israelis did we kill to establish deterrence?

Iran can improve its offensive capability to destroy more Israeli buildings but 1. We lack the element of surprise to kill Israelis in return, 2. We lack defensive capabilities to be able to afford ballsy moves. In fact, this last reason was why we decided not to hit critical Israeli infrastructure last time. That, and the fact that Israel is a nuclear state and we're not.

 

[ShapurII]

what am I in denial about?

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I think you are in denial if you don't want to call this flame throwing device a flamethrower

It is a fire extinguisher modified to be used as a flame thrower, not an actual flamethrower. Imagine how angry you have made Iranians to be that they have to use their creativity to kill security forces!

Mashreghnews is an IRGC-affiliated news outlet. Do you not trust them either?

فیلم/ دستگیری اغتشاشگری که در شیراز مأمور پلیس را به آتش کشید

فرد مهاجمی که در جریان ناآرامی های اخیر شیراز با کپسول آتش‌زا به مأمور پلیس حمله کرده و جان او را به خطر انداخته بود، شناسایی و دستگیر شد.

www.mashreghnews.ir

 

[Persian Gulf]

What are you going to do for defense? Offense alone is not going to win you a war.

Israel killed hundreds of Iranians on the last day of war. What did Iran do? How many Israelis did we kill to establish deterrence?

Iran can improve its offensive capability to destroy more Israeli buildings but 1. We lack the element of surprise to kill Israelis in return, 2. We lack defensive capabilities to be able to afford ballsy moves. In fact, this last reason was why we decided not to hit critical Israeli infrastructure last time. That, and the fact that Israel is a nuclear state and we're not.

I am explaining why Israel is very concerned about Iran's missiles

not arguing how Iran can use these missiles to achieve a strategic victory

 

[Persian Gulf]

It is a fire extinguisher modified to be used as a flame thrower, not an actual flamethrower. Imagine how angry you have made Iranians to be that they have to use their creativity to kill security forces!

Mashreghnews is an IRGC-affiliated news outlet. Do you not trust them either?

فیلم/ دستگیری اغتشاشگری که در شیراز مأمور پلیس را به آتش کشید

فرد مهاجمی که در جریان ناآرامی های اخیر شیراز با کپسول آتش‌زا به مأمور پلیس حمله کرده و جان او را به خطر انداخته بود، شناسایی و دستگیر شد.

www.mashreghnews.ir

these are extreme semantics, should I share videos of pistols and shotguns too, so you can argue these are not guns these are modified metal cans

yes, they must be very angry beasts to savagely attack and sodomise police officers with brutal metal weapons

 

[ShapurII]

I am explaining why Israel is very concerned about Iran's missiles

not arguing how Iran can use these missiles to achieve a strategic victory

And unfortunately, this "concern" did not stop them from launching a preemptive war on Iran. And it hasn't stopped them from asking Trump to strike Iran, even though they could very well be one of our retaliatory targets in a potential war with the United States.

They are concerned because they are not stupid and delusional. Only stupid people are not concerned about loss of life and residential buildings or infrastructure. The people who say it is our dream to be martyred, or say if you bomb our nuclear facilities we will rebuild them, or refuse to follow security protocols are stupid. Also, always account for change of variables. Just like how Iran is resolving its weaknesses and has learned a lot from the 12-day battle, so has Israel.

 

[ShapurII]

these are extreme semantics, should I share videos of pistols and shotguns too, so you can argue these are not guns these are modified metal cans

yes, they must be very angry beasts to savagely attack and sodomise police officers with brutal metal weapons

Show me videos of protestors with pistols and shotguns in Valiasr, Karimkhan, Sanaee, Tajrish, Vanak, Tehranpars, Marzdaran, Shahrak-e Gharb, etc.

When the police use live ammo on protestors, people have a right to defend themselves. Every person has a right to defend himself from oppression. The same right that I have always defended for Palestinians against Israelis. The real question is, why and how have we reached this point?

The path you are proudly defending leads to a civil war. Syria 2.0. And we all saw what happened in Syria in the end.

 

[Persian Gulf]

And unfortunately, this "concern" did not stop them from launching a preemptive war on Iran. And it hasn't stopped them from asking Trump to strike Iran, even though they could very well be one of our retaliatory targets in a potential war with the United States.

They are concerned because they are not stupid and delusional. Only stupid people are not concerned about loss of life and residential buildings or infrastructure. The people who say it is our dream to be martyred, or say if you bomb our nuclear facilities we will rebuild them, or refuse to follow security protocols are stupid. Also, always account for change of variables. Just like how Iran is resolving its weaknesses and has learned a lot from the 12-day battle, so has Israel.

they are not concerned about now, they are concerned about the future trajectory of the threat

they can handle 50 impacts of 500kg warheads with poor accuracy today

but in 5-10 years time if that becomes 200 impacts of 1000kg warheads with good accuracy, that's a different level of threat

 

[ShapurII]

they are not concerned about now, they are concerned about the future trajectory of the threat

they can handle 50 impacts of 500kg warheads with poor accuracy today

but in 5-10 years time if that becomes 200 impacts of 1000kg warheads with good accuracy, that's a different level of threat

Trust me, the way things are now, there will be no IR threat 5-10 years from now.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Show me videos of protestors with pistols and shotguns in Valiasr, Karimkhan, Sanaee, Tajrish, Vanak, Tehranpars, Marzdaran, Shahrak-e Gharb, etc.

When the police use live ammo on protestors, people have a right to defend themselves. Every person has a right to defend himself from oppression. The same right that I have always defended for Palestinians against Israelis.

The path you are proudly defending leads to a civil war. Syria 2.0. And we all saw what happened in Syria in the end.

 

[Persian Gulf]

do these look like peaceful protestors to you?

Trump and Pompeo say they helped Iranian protestors a lot, and suddenly these armed rioters emerge, what a coincidence, I am sure

 

[ShapurII]

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Is that all? What are these pixelated photos supposed to prove exactly?

How do we know they aren't plain-clothed personnel?
How do we know where these photos are from?
How do we know they aren't AI-generated?

 

[Persian Gulf]

Is that all? What are these pixelated photos supposed to prove exactly?

How do we know they aren't plain-clothed personnel?
How do we know where these photos are from?
How do we know they aren't AI-generated?

they are screenshots I took from video footage, I can share the videos as well but you might go metaphysical on me again

how do I know we are not in a simulation right now and the creator coded you to ask these silly questions

 

[ShapurII]

they are screenshots I took from video footage, I can share that but you might go metaphysical on me again

how do I know we are not in a simulation right now and the creator coded you to ask these silly questions

Why don't you show us the video footage then?
Do you deny the existence of plain-clothed personnel in protests?

You are the one who is claiming that millions of people dissatisfied with the situation are Israeli and American agents. You are the one who has to prove your claim, not me.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Why don't you show us the video footage then?
Do you deny the existence of plain-clothed personnel in protests?

You are the one who is claiming that millions of people dissatisfied with the situation are Israeli and American agents. You are the one who has to prove your claim, not me.

I don't have a problem with sharing the video footage:





I don't believe millions of people protested let alone millions are foreign agents, so let's not make things up

most protestors were concerned with economic issues and peaceful, then small organised groups of armed rioters took over and that's when the crackdown happened as these terrorists systematically slaughtered hundreds of police officers and tried to start a civil war

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Protests in Tehran and other major cities were peaceful but were brutally suppressed with live ammo.

But even if we accept your version of events, it's still a huge security failure that foreign countries can pull off something like this in Iran in two days. No matter how you look at it, the regime doesn't come out of it looking good.

A brutal clash was needed because Iranian Monarchists/MEK/Separatists/Rioters, backed by western media and governments, became addicted to violent chants, violent acts and violent ideas, thinking that IRI will be soft like always. This time they underestimated the authorities.

They crossed the red lines and threatened the state and the security of Iranian nation at the cost of internal dialogue and reforms. So they hijacked the demonstrations to spoil any reformist movement.

Then the state finally used iron fist, and showed the morgues and bodies afterwards in a transparant way, indirectly warning spies and violent actors against trying it again. If this secures Iran for 5-10 years it will create stability and hopefully leave space for reforms.