Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

Those "peacefull Mahsa Amini poresters' killed 60-80 security officers.

And tens or hundreds of young boys and girls over something as stupid as a headscarf.
But don't be upset. Those security forces finally reached their dream of martyrdom.

Anyway, things are developing really fast. Let time show which one of us is right. We still have 3 years of Trump left and the US dollar is hitting new highs every week. We will see if the method of ruling over Iran like North Korea will work or not.

 

[Shags101]

Guys. I hate the zios. I don’t want monarchists to take over. There were armed and unarmed rioters who killed security forces. But we must acknowledge that security forces did also kill a lot civilians and this will come back to haunt us one day.

Agree but the actually killings occurred in numbers after armed groups instigated by trump and Bibi and also the fake shah intermingled with peaceful protesters

 

[mangekyo]

Agree but the actually killings occurred in numbers after armed groups instigated by trump and Bibi and also the fake shah intermingled with peaceful protesters

It is not the first time security forces kills civilians. They killed a lot of civilians during the green movement. None of these were armed. But it is different now with social media being everywhere.

You cant indiscriminately kill thousands of civilians just because there are armed terrorists hiding amongst them.

 

[925boy]

who to believe, unsourced Al Jazeera claim or direct interview with Shamkhani ...

Iran never ever signalled it would accept no enrichment, so if you read anything that says it will, it is fake news

Sure, I agree with this.

in any event, even if it is true, it suggests Trump is happy to accept JCPOA terms and drop his missile demands, which would be a huge compromise. another reason why it is likely not true.

This just makes me wonder why trump risked war(like now)by pulling US out of the JCPOA only to end up at the same jcpoa agreement with Iran informally ?
Yow how racist US is when you see US preferring a dumb white president to a smart and educated minority president. lord help us.

 

[Kyussis]

He's an Israeli agent
Pretending to be Iranian

Nah. I doubt it!

Guys. I hate the zios. I don’t want monarchists to take over. There were armed and unarmed rioters who killed security forces. But we must acknowledge that security forces did also kill a lot civilians and this will come back to haunt us one day.

Anyone "protesting" next to CIA/Mossad agitators after Mossad had explicitly stated that they are on the streets of Iran, deserved everything they got!

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Welcome back Mr. Shapur

 

[Shags101]

It is not the first time security forces kills civilians. They killed a lot of civilians during the green movement. None of these were armed. But it is different now with social media being everywhere.

You cant indiscriminately kill thousands of civilians just because there are armed terrorists hiding amongst them.

Hey I’m not disagreeing at all that’s why I have always said Iran takes takes a step forward than 2 steps back the hardliners a great few to many of them are the biggest hypocrites around we see parties thrown with people drinking women dressed like a bad version of Kim kardashain and they pretend to be dismayed when girls don’t wear the hijab.
i definitely don’t agree with the innocence that were killed and if the toll was 5000more or less than definitely people didn’t differentiate between civilian or terrorists

 

[Shags101]

Nah. I doubt it!


Anyone "protesting" next to CIA/Mossad agitators after Mossad had explicitly stated that they are on the streets of Iran, deserved everything they got!

No that’s wrong to say innocent people died because of that you can’t blame people for wanting a better life

 

[Persian Gulf]

But the video footage you shared is not from Tehran.

Again, that's your version of the story. There is no evidence that armed rioters took over in cities like Tehran. Feel free to provide some evidence, but protests in the majority of neighborhoods in Tehran were completely peaceful and limited to chanting slogans and still, they were brutally oppressed and fired at.

when Israel and the US say they helped the protestors, what do you think that means?

the scale of destruction of public buildings in Tehran alone shows they were not "completely peaceful"

 

[Persian Gulf]

We went from peaceful Mahsa Amini protests by a bunch of teenagers

they were not that peaceful either

you forgot the videos of protestors dragging unarmed police officers from their cars and beating / stabbing them to death?

 

[Persian Gulf]

Iran needs major reforms, not just half-assed measures like allowing teenage girls not to wear the headscarf. People want major reforms. The list is too long, but I am sure you can think of many things that have to be changed on your own.

no one denies this

how many police officers do you think were killed in the latest protests? you are happy to believe outlandish numbers of people killed (10k+), but what about police officers?

official accounts put the number at over 100. do you think this is a normal number that can be achieved from mostly peaceful protestors?

 

[Persian Gulf]

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when Trump says Iran "is a mess right now because of us", what does he mean?

 

[925boy]

Trump needs to get a declaration of war from Congress......

No he doesn't. Ina federal system like US, the president has emergency power to declare war, if he chooses to do so.

He will not be able to put one single boot on the ground in Iran without their approval.

He can, as long as he's willing to accept the risk of any fallout from the war, and the insurance for that risk is the congressional approval.

And obviously he has shown us he doesn't want a prolonged war.

But he has gone to "war"with a few countries already, technically.

 

[925boy]

Hmm, I don't know about that..... I think it's best to offer Trump a moratorium on enrichment for a few years. This way he gets his win, and we keep our options open....we will stay firm on keeping the facilities intact, in other words, we will not dismantle the enrichment halls...but we can lock them down and have IAEA inspect.

This strategy and timing worked before trump's 2nd term, but not now. The Zs have put a "deadline" on DT to " fix" the Iran problem asap, it seems.

 

[925boy]

There is no «deal» They are setting up a plan to dismantle Shia militias in Iraq. Iran will either become a toothless Chinese vassal state, or they split it up.

No once can effectively dismantle Shia militias in Iraq, except maybe their creator, Iran. Israel still hasn't dismantled 1 Shia militia in the ME, and many on this forum dunno that israel swallowed 10s and 10s of OWA drones during OP TP 2 from Iraqi militias. Those militias fired those small shahed 238(black) drones very effectively against israel. Israeli radars rarely picked them up and few of them were intercepted.