Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Kyussis]

He's an Israeli agent
Pretending to be Iranian

Nah. I doubt it!

Guys. I hate the zios. I don’t want monarchists to take over. There were armed and unarmed rioters who killed security forces. But we must acknowledge that security forces did also kill a lot civilians and this will come back to haunt us one day.

Anyone "protesting" next to CIA/Mossad agitators after Mossad had explicitly stated that they are on the streets of Iran, deserved everything they got!

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Welcome back Mr. Shapur

 

[Shags101]

It is not the first time security forces kills civilians. They killed a lot of civilians during the green movement. None of these were armed. But it is different now with social media being everywhere.

You cant indiscriminately kill thousands of civilians just because there are armed terrorists hiding amongst them.

Hey I’m not disagreeing at all that’s why I have always said Iran takes takes a step forward than 2 steps back the hardliners a great few to many of them are the biggest hypocrites around we see parties thrown with people drinking women dressed like a bad version of Kim kardashain and they pretend to be dismayed when girls don’t wear the hijab.
i definitely don’t agree with the innocence that were killed and if the toll was 5000more or less than definitely people didn’t differentiate between civilian or terrorists

 

[Shags101]

Nah. I doubt it!


Anyone "protesting" next to CIA/Mossad agitators after Mossad had explicitly stated that they are on the streets of Iran, deserved everything they got!

No that’s wrong to say innocent people died because of that you can’t blame people for wanting a better life

 

[Persian Gulf]

But the video footage you shared is not from Tehran.

Again, that's your version of the story. There is no evidence that armed rioters took over in cities like Tehran. Feel free to provide some evidence, but protests in the majority of neighborhoods in Tehran were completely peaceful and limited to chanting slogans and still, they were brutally oppressed and fired at.

when Israel and the US say they helped the protestors, what do you think that means?

the scale of destruction of public buildings in Tehran alone shows they were not "completely peaceful"

 

[Persian Gulf]

We went from peaceful Mahsa Amini protests by a bunch of teenagers

they were not that peaceful either

you forgot the videos of protestors dragging unarmed police officers from their cars and beating / stabbing them to death?

 

[Persian Gulf]

Iran needs major reforms, not just half-assed measures like allowing teenage girls not to wear the headscarf. People want major reforms. The list is too long, but I am sure you can think of many things that have to be changed on your own.

no one denies this

how many police officers do you think were killed in the latest protests? you are happy to believe outlandish numbers of people killed (10k+), but what about police officers?

official accounts put the number at over 100. do you think this is a normal number that can be achieved from mostly peaceful protestors?

 

[Persian Gulf]

when Trump says Iran "is a mess right now because of us", what does he mean?

 

[925boy]

Trump needs to get a declaration of war from Congress......

No he doesn't. Ina federal system like US, the president has emergency power to declare war, if he chooses to do so.

He will not be able to put one single boot on the ground in Iran without their approval.

He can, as long as he's willing to accept the risk of any fallout from the war, and the insurance for that risk is the congressional approval.

And obviously he has shown us he doesn't want a prolonged war.

But he has gone to "war"with a few countries already, technically.

 

[925boy]

Hmm, I don't know about that..... I think it's best to offer Trump a moratorium on enrichment for a few years. This way he gets his win, and we keep our options open....we will stay firm on keeping the facilities intact, in other words, we will not dismantle the enrichment halls...but we can lock them down and have IAEA inspect.

This strategy and timing worked before trump's 2nd term, but not now. The Zs have put a "deadline" on DT to " fix" the Iran problem asap, it seems.

 

[925boy]

There is no «deal» They are setting up a plan to dismantle Shia militias in Iraq. Iran will either become a toothless Chinese vassal state, or they split it up.

No once can effectively dismantle Shia militias in Iraq, except maybe their creator, Iran. Israel still hasn't dismantled 1 Shia militia in the ME, and many on this forum dunno that israel swallowed 10s and 10s of OWA drones during OP TP 2 from Iraqi militias. Those militias fired those small shahed 238(black) drones very effectively against israel. Israeli radars rarely picked them up and few of them were intercepted.

 

[925boy]

The negotiations collapsed before they even started.

War it is?

Negotiations collapsed because US prefers and is readying for military action, and has no patience for negotiations, which means Iran not striking first might be the biggest mistake the IRI has made to protect itself security since 1979. War is here, so Iran might as well fight on its terms and to its advantage.

 

[Shags101]

No once can effectively dismantle Shia militias in Iraq, except maybe their creator, Iran. Israel still hasn't dismantled 1 Shia militia in the ME, and many on this forum dunno that israel swallowed 10s and 10s of OWA drones during OP TP 2 from Iraqi militias. Those militias fired those small shahed 238(black) drones very effectively against israel. Israeli radars rarely picked them up and few of them were intercepted.

To be fair that’s where they work the best because Iran sent out dozens or hundreds at the same time they could be spotted easily when they were launched and tracked afterwards in the air Iranians were finally getting hits in at the end because Israel’s interceptors were running dry.

Houthis and the Iraqis were sending out at best 1 to 3 at a time they were basically spotted only until they were just outside or Israel airspace or outside.
The Iraqis got the Americans in Jordan for sure they got two idf in the golan from what I remember and sporadic hits ,same with Houthis a few kills but as with everything we will never know what targets were hit inside Israel when it comes to sensitive military sites.

Honestly shows you even the Iraqis who are using knock offs of Iranian built drones were extremely accurate in hitting high value targets especially the golan heights and the American base in Jordan

 

[Shags101]

Negotiations collapsed because US prefers and is readying for military action, and has no patience for negotiations, which means Iran not striking first might be the biggest mistake the IRI has made to protect itself security since 1979. War is here, so Iran might as well fight on its terms and to its advantage.

To be fair they have to wait for trump or Israel to attack first otherwise they are the violent instigators of this war Israel attacked Europe and America rolled their eyes Iran attacks tomorrow first they will have all of Europe Arab(mostly from Abraham accords) and America coming to fight on their behalf

 

[mangekyo]

No once can effectively dismantle Shia militias in Iraq, except maybe their creator, Iran. Israel still hasn't dismantled 1 Shia militia in the ME, and many on this forum dunno that israel swallowed 10s and 10s of OWA drones during OP TP 2 from Iraqi militias. Those militias fired those small shahed 238(black) drones very effectively against israel. Israeli radars rarely picked them up and few of them were intercepted.

these militias won’t last long without Iranian support