Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

Developing MARV warhead for our missiles is the need of the hour if we intend to fire them
The thing is , Indians have called the Pakistani 'nuclear bluff'. The believe now, especially after May,and rightly so that Pakistan won't fir nukes upfront to deter India. This , in their mind, gives the an opening to conduct limited operations against Pakistan (In May, they had asked for ceasefire within the hour after conducting the first attacks). Pakistan has attempted to fix that nuclear posturing through the latest reforms, by bringing the nukes, as well as conventional war fighting, under CDF control to ensure the nuclear option is always at the table. The next problem is have the capability to inflict n times more damage compared to Indian missiles, with similar effort. Rocket force is working on the surely....
 
The thing is , Indians have called the Pakistani 'nuclear bluff'. The believe now, especially after May,and rightly so that Pakistan won't fir nukes upfront to deter India. This , in their mind, gives the an opening to conduct limited operations against Pakistan (In May, they had asked for ceasefire within the hour after conducting the first attacks). Pakistan has attempted to fix that nuclear posturing through the latest reforms, by bringing the nukes, as well as conventional war fighting, under CDF control to ensure the nuclear option is always at the table. The next problem is have the capability to inflict n times more damage compared to Indian missiles, with similar effort. Rocket force is working on the surely....
On the other hand, the Indian planners would have come to their senses that Pakistan is more than a match to tackle India's supposedly conventional superiority. They should realise it's not easy to carry out its objectives without suffering losses, unless or course their objectives is just for domestic consumption where they can control the narrative.
 
On the other hand, the Indian planners would have come to their senses that Pakistan is more than a match to tackle India's supposedly conventional superiority. They should realise it's not easy to carry out its objectives without suffering losses, unless or course their objectives is just for domestic consumption where they can control the narrative.
The watershed moment was the 1980s Bofors scandal, which triggered a risk-averse, procedure-obsessed defence procurement culture that persists today. The resulting protocols created multiple veto points where civilian bureaucrats who are generalist administrators with limited military expertise can delay or derail acquisitions without accountability. The military has been systematically excluded from capital expenditure decisions and budget preparation, despite being the end-user.

To rise through the ranks, officers must avoid mistakes rather than take calculated risks. This creates a "yes man" culture where dissent is punished. Academically, they know what needs to be done (Joint Theatre Commands, independent offensive capabilities, Cold start etc. ), but in practice, no one wants to sign off on the disruption required to implement it.

In a functioning democracy(Which Pakistanis have no clue of), the politician sets the goal, and the soldier executes. In India, the politician is largely absent from defense planning, ceding control to the bureaucracy (IAS). These bureaucrats often lack military domain expertise and focus on process (audits, wheels on files) rather than outcomes.

This is why you see "academic brilliance" in white papers but failure in execution. Planners can write excellent doctrines on "Cold Start" or "Multi-Domain Operations," but the bureaucracy cannot process the procurement and logistical integration required to make those doctrines real. You buy the Rafale (the weapon), but the bureaucratic machine delays the hangars, the pilot training pipeline, and the spare parts supply chain (the ecosystem).

India buys expensive toys (Apaches, S-400s, Rafales) to mask institutional hollowness. It looks good on paper (and in Republic Day parades), but without a cohesive "neural network" effectively linking these assets, they are just expensive standalone targets.

BUT
Things are changing - if very slowly:

The biggest push was their ISO act which means the first ITC was supposed to go live by May 2026 but is likely to slip or launch with diluted powers because the underlying "culture of territory" hasn't changed.

However, some key things are important to note that while taking their time will be important to consider:

Previously, a general just had to avoid controversy to get promoted. Now, they are graded on a 1-9 scale based on performance and tech-literacy. This is a direct attack on the "yes man" model. If you are a "safe" administrator with no strategic vision, you now get bypassed by a junior officer who takes risks. This is the first time the system has incentivized "disruption" over "compliance". @Panzerkiel

Compared to that - Pakistan is thinking (due to Army dominance) top-down consolidation: dissolving the CJCSC role and reorganising joint staff functions to reduce inter-service delay and duplication, with joint planning/procurement intended to run through the COAS-CDF/CDF HQ construct.
India is pursuing jointness through process + institutions: HQ-IDS structures (including cyber/space/special operations elements) and practical joint mechanisms (integrated planning, intelligence sharing, capability prioritisation) being pushed via tri-service conclaves and similar forums

Pakistan has optimized for a "Short War" loop (fast, centralized decision to escalate/de-escalate). India is struggling to build a "Sustained War" loop (resilient, distributed, joint). Pakistan is faster but prone to fatal error (wrong orientation), while India is smarter (better orientation) but too slow to exploit it before the window closes.
 
On the other hand, the Indian planners would have come to their senses that Pakistan is more than a match to tackle India's supposedly conventional superiority. They should realise it's not easy to carry out its objectives without suffering losses, unless or course their objectives is just for domestic consumption where they can control the narrative.
Sindoor was entirely a political stunt, so was 'Bandar', and 'surgical strike',it starts back from the 'terror boat' incident in 2014, when Modi started to use military for political gains.Even this time, as disclosed in the Indian parliament, Indians had signalled for a ceasefire give they had delivered the bombs and achieved the 'political impact', even though they had lost their jets,they were ready to de-escalate.
 
@Panzerkiel what would be next conflict be like (I know you don't have to say anything about our capabilities) would it be like the previous one or more sophisticated with more focus in different domains with very few kinetic attack vectors.
Of course with ever new domains....the cycle/ process time has been reduced to a great time....like we fought 2025 conflict in an entirely different way, with difference rules/ ROes than 2019.....just six years of span...and it will continue to reduce.
 
The watershed moment was the 1980s Bofors scandal, which triggered a risk-averse, procedure-obsessed defence procurement culture that persists today. The resulting protocols created multiple veto points where civilian bureaucrats who are generalist administrators with limited military expertise can delay or derail acquisitions without accountability. The military has been systematically excluded from capital expenditure decisions and budget preparation, despite being the end-user.

To rise through the ranks, officers must avoid mistakes rather than take calculated risks. This creates a "yes man" culture where dissent is punished. Academically, they know what needs to be done (Joint Theatre Commands, independent offensive capabilities, Cold start etc. ), but in practice, no one wants to sign off on the disruption required to implement it.

In a functioning democracy(Which Pakistanis have no clue of), the politician sets the goal, and the soldier executes. In India, the politician is largely absent from defense planning, ceding control to the bureaucracy (IAS). These bureaucrats often lack military domain expertise and focus on process (audits, wheels on files) rather than outcomes.

This is why you see "academic brilliance" in white papers but failure in execution. Planners can write excellent doctrines on "Cold Start" or "Multi-Domain Operations," but the bureaucracy cannot process the procurement and logistical integration required to make those doctrines real. You buy the Rafale (the weapon), but the bureaucratic machine delays the hangars, the pilot training pipeline, and the spare parts supply chain (the ecosystem).

India buys expensive toys (Apaches, S-400s, Rafales) to mask institutional hollowness. It looks good on paper (and in Republic Day parades), but without a cohesive "neural network" effectively linking these assets, they are just expensive standalone targets.

BUT
Things are changing - if very slowly:

The biggest push was their ISO act which means the first ITC was supposed to go live by May 2026 but is likely to slip or launch with diluted powers because the underlying "culture of territory" hasn't changed.

However, some key things are important to note that while taking their time will be important to consider:

Previously, a general just had to avoid controversy to get promoted. Now, they are graded on a 1-9 scale based on performance and tech-literacy. This is a direct attack on the "yes man" model. If you are a "safe" administrator with no strategic vision, you now get bypassed by a junior officer who takes risks. This is the first time the system has incentivized "disruption" over "compliance". @Panzerkiel

Compared to that - Pakistan is thinking (due to Army dominance) top-down consolidation: dissolving the CJCSC role and reorganising joint staff functions to reduce inter-service delay and duplication, with joint planning/procurement intended to run through the COAS-CDF/CDF HQ construct.
India is pursuing jointness through process + institutions: HQ-IDS structures (including cyber/space/special operations elements) and practical joint mechanisms (integrated planning, intelligence sharing, capability prioritisation) being pushed via tri-service conclaves and similar forums

Pakistan has optimized for a "Short War" loop (fast, centralized decision to escalate/de-escalate). India is struggling to build a "Sustained War" loop (resilient, distributed, joint). Pakistan is faster but prone to fatal error (wrong orientation), while India is smarter (better orientation) but too slow to exploit it before the window closes.
I read the book written by indian General Maya Das.....which lays clear the Bofor affair specifically and indian defence procurement cycle as a whole...he was DG Weapons/ Equipment directorate responsible for procurements....

Rest all points agreed.... @Oscar
 
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He is trying hard but still well short of very high standards set by the most favourite Field Marshall. Nobel Peace prize and minerals in a suitcase in 6 “ heels was far ahead of what Modi has been able to do so far.

Mighty disappointing performance by Modi so far.

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sorry your PMs kiss assery is epic .. none else can do it.
 
One of very few former USAF pilot youtuber who is a cuck for India because majority of his audience si indian. He source is Indian and then Indians will quote him 😂

Poor excuse for a fighter pilot when other fighter pilots worldwide acknowledged that the wreckage were indeed parts of planes from various different aircraft.
 
Poor excuse for a fighter pilot when other fighter pilots worldwide acknowledged that the wreckage were indeed parts of planes from various different aircraft.

It is just basic commercialism with these things now. A lot of western commentators know they will get views, reposts and likes from Indians, so now you will see quite a few bending facts in order to get their large Indian audiences excited online.

This rarely happens with the actual press like Aviation Week or Air Forces Monthly that reply on magazine subs or sales. Also Indian will very rarely spend money on purchasing mags.
 
On the other hand, the Indian planners would have come to their senses that Pakistan is more than a match to tackle India's supposedly conventional superiority. They should realise it's not easy to carry out its objectives without suffering losses, unless or course their objectives is just for domestic consumption where they can control the narrative.

Control of Indian narrative is very much depended on us as well. As to we coming up with clear and undeniable proofs of our actions within Indian territory. That's where we have been piss poor. Nearly all the proofs of our kinetic actions came from Indian citizens loading stuff on social media, mostly wreckage of IAF jets. There has been no official solid evidence of damage done from our side. Granted, we can say to Indians that how can you deny evidences put forth by your own citizens, but we as a country have responsibility to ensure that we have all material and shown to the world for narrative control. We can't give an inche to our mortal enemy.
 
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Bholari Brahmos Strike : Sensor to Shooter Loop. So the repairs are still going on after 9 months
 
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How is the repair going on your Rafales Su30mki Mig29 and Mirage2000 and S400 radar?
 

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