Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Cipher212]

That hangar at Bholari in the latest sat pic is quite clearly empty, and the floor looks perfectly flat. Was there ever a SAAB there to begin with like the retired marshal said or has it been repaired?

 

[Oscar]

That hangar at Bholari in the latest sat pic is quite clearly empty, and the floor looks perfectly flat. Was there ever a SAAB there to begin with like the retired marshal said or has it been repaired?

It was there. It took damage from roof debris
Roof debris also led to deaths.
Now it has been moved because it is back in service and will continue to be rotated around as needed.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

I looked up udhampur AFS at some satellite page, few days back, it was censored

it was either adampur or udhumpur, cant remember exactly

and it was European satellite page, thats all i can recall now

 

[Cipher212]

It was there. It took damage from roof debris
Roof debris also led to deaths.
Now it has been moved because it is back in service and will continue to be rotated around as needed.

Good that it survived but that means we almost lost an AWACS for a meaningless skirmish initiated for Indian government PR purposes. I don't understand what it was doing parked in Bholari in the first place. Why are these aircraft not based in Samungli or deeper?


In Bholari they are vulnerable even when taking off.

 

[Oscar]

Good that it survived but that means we almost lost an AWACS for a meaningless skirmish initiated for Indian government PR purposes. I don't understand what it was doing parked in Bholari in the first place. Why are these aircraft not based in Samungli or deeper?


In Bholari they are vulnerable even when taking off.

considering you lost aircraft to what were still men with rifles over the past years despite having intelligence on attackers - you can see the Human Resources is still the weakest link in Pakistan state institutions.

 

[Gripen9]

considering you lost aircraft to what were still men with rifles over the past years despite having intelligence on attackers - you can see the Human Resources is still the weakest link in Pakistan state institutions.

Not once but twice

 

[PK781]

Wonder if those arrangements include things like do not cross the LOC, or move strategic weapons to forward bases? I was curious that people were posting that we are pounding Indian posts on LOC to a point of them raising white flags so what stopped Pakistan pushing into the J&K to capture some of the posts? we tried that in Kargil, the May conflict at least we have all tri-services taking part in the conflict unlike Kargil when half of the services didn't even know about the operation.

I thought Brahmos is their ACE card, which they used very early in the conflict, I thought the next moved would've been signaling the movement from their Strategic command aka Nuclear weapons, which Pakistan may/may not have picked up to follow up and inform the Americans that " Hey, they are moving some seriously dangerous weapons, so are we, what do you wanna do now" ?

asking the americans each time is a sure way of getting destroyed sooner or later bcaz they will side with the indians, as always......our side needs to learn to get away from them and make their own decisions........stop depending on the americans and stop holding their fingers like a small child, or it will be too late one day!

 

[gamaji]

One question I had for a long time, that during May escalation India on first strike use its Air force, than many of their planes got shot down, then for next few days they use Brahmos and Kamikaze drones/Loitering munitions, then Pakistan BuM came in and shortly after that cease-fire, now my question is what would've India done if the cease-fire didn't happen? which new system or means of strike they could've used against Pakistan? Pakistan used its Air force for mostly shooting down IAF escaping jets, later we fire Fateh 1s and SH-15's Arty, we still have some options like using Babur/Ra'ad to hit few targets but I am curious what would Indians next step if Cease-fire didn't happen? Would there be a full on Land invasion in parts of AJK and Punjab or just keep the Brahmos/Drone strikes?

From what has transpired in May, that pushed Indians into overwhelming panic and the only next option they had was resorting to the use of nukes. They had already used their top class weapon systems without achieving anything substantial.

Regardless of silly Indian claims, these coward Indians will be the first to resort to nuclear blackmail.

 

[Cipher212]

considering you lost aircraft to what were still men with rifles over the past years despite having intelligence on attackers - you can see the Human Resources is still the weakest link in Pakistan state institutions.

Oh koi nahi wo apnay hi bachay hay. India se jahaaz nahi girwana.

 

[Oscar]

Oh koi nahi wo apnay hi bachay hay. India se jahaaz nahi girwana.

The money India is spending on the eastern front has a substantial reflection on what it's spending to many many more of these unjammable guided goats for the next conflict.

 

[falcon34]

Nothing was “made to land near the intended target”

It was no holds barred fight. Please don’t repeat this fake claim again.

I think pak was caught unprepared with respect to ground launched weapons. F1 and F2 have 50 CEP, too much for an target like an airfield and I don't think they were available in numbers during the May conflict. But if we saw some good hits in Amritsar, jhalandhr areas.
Next time India will not have that luxury, PAF has their own long range missiles and PA it's own.
It won't be an easy walk for India the other time round.

 

[Oscar]

I think pak was caught unprepared with respect to ground launched weapons. F1 and F2 have 50 CEP, too much for an target like an airfield and I don't think they were available in numbers during the May conflict. But if we saw some good hits in Amritsar, jhalandhr areas.
Next time India will not have that luxury, PAF has their own long range missiles and PA it's own.
It won't be an easy walk for India the other time round.

Technically Pakistan got very lucky (or India as usual acted in arrogance). Nothing beats operational validation and F1 was found unsuited for certain roles but then worked in other aspects.
Brahmos got its validation which was the sole silver lining for India along with SCALP and their AD response to loitering munitions.
Everything else they mucked about with rather thoroughly due to their own disjointed execution rather than any actual weapon performance issue.

 

[flyingorca]

It was there. It took damage from roof debris
Roof debris also led to deaths.
Now it has been moved because it is back in service and will continue to be rotated around as needed.

Sir with all due respect, Saab was never inside hanger. Hanger provides zero protection and a cruise missile can destroy any aircraft if it falls within 10 20 meters away. The Saab was being towed out of the hanger and most likely outside the hanger and may have received shrapnel damage. If Squadron leader Usman shaheed was inside hanger at the time of attack he would have received facial burns at least. Most likely he was also hit by shrapnel outside the hanger.
I believe during 2025 May canflict each sides informed each other about incoming strikes on critical infrastructure inorder to minimize casualties. Radars can detect flying projectile but i doubt it can predict its target as the flight path is unpredictable so thats why my suspicion. Thats also the reason why Squadron leader recieved an award for his bravery for towing the Saab out of the hanger.

 

[flyingorca]

Technically Pakistan got very lucky (or India as usual acted in arrogance). Nothing beats operational validation and F1 was found unsuited for certain roles but then worked in other aspects.
Brahmos got its validation which was the sole silver lining for India along with SCALP and their AD response to loitering munitions.
Everything else they mucked about with rather thoroughly due to their own disjointed execution rather than any actual weapon performance issue.

Sir, if Fatah was failure i doubt PA would bother pitching them for export after May 2025. I have seen more pictures of Indian surface to air missiles debris in India then actual Fatah series rockets, meaning Fatahs escaped and landed where they were supposed to. Fatah was mainly used as scared tactics.

 

[falcon34]

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@AeronautIR I think those exaggerated through out by civilian side of government might be true
He just said 10 planes. Bloody hell