Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[NA71]

Some day the true count might be come out and accepted by Indians.....

For now at least 04 jets count is well accepted in indian circles.

 

[NA71]

Trumps numbers are total BS fudge EXCEPT his initial number. That is when info is fresh to him and he remembers.

Rest is just dementia

No brother it is not dementia.....he is not Biden ....he knows what he is doing.

 

[Oscar]

No brother it is not dementia.....he is not Biden ....he knows what he is doing.

No
He doesn’t know what he is doing - he wings it along his own persona.

This goes with numbers he throws out which are many a times total ridiculousness.

The number he was consistent with is 7 I believe.

 

[side-winder]

It appears the SAMs only have a token part in these exercises. First shot, First kill is way beyond the SAM envelope and by the time SAMs are involved it is already too little too late. SAMs appear redundant.....

I don't know how you have come to this conclusion. SAMs affect alot of variables for example DEZ, Vul and corresponding tactics.

HQ9 had a solid role to play on the night of 7th as well. Similarly, S400 was indeed a potent threat which PAF was forced to take into account and the system actually did get couple locks on our assets but luckily for us, none materialized into a Kill.

However, S400 indeed did restrict PAF's freedom until on the morning of 10th when it went offline allowing us to fly with more freedom.

And In addition, ofcourse the AD part for kinetic interceptions.

One of the objectives of this exercise was to hone the tactics against IAF's SOW capabilities. How not to let them just lob missiles from stand off ranges and get away with it - and for that, you'll need to suppress their SAM threat.

 

[Oscar]

I don't know how you have come to this conclusion. SAMs affect alot of variables for example DEZ, Vul and corresponding tactics.

HQ9 had a solid role to play on the night of 7th as well. Similarly, S400 was indeed a potent threat which PAF was forced to take into account and the system actually did get couple locks on our assets but luckily for us, none materialized into a Kill.

However, S400 indeed did restrict PAF's freedom until on the morning of 10th when it went offline allowing us to fly with more freedom.

And In addition, ofcourse the AD part for kinetic interceptions.

One of the objectives of this exercise was to hone the tactics against IAF's SOW capabilities. How not to let them just lob missiles from stand off ranges and get away with it - and for that, you'll need to suppress their SAM threat.

Indians have also busy actually getting their pack up and deploy times better. They were caught both places with S-400 locations exposed despite their “academic” ideas of rotation and dispersal.

Now they are finally trying to drill it into practice.

Always about who learns faster and has fresher memory

 

[rafale]

No
He doesn’t know what he is doing - he wings it along his own persona.

This goes with numbers he throws out which are many a times total ridiculousness.

The number he was consistent with is 7 I believe.

I think he did mention 7 lost and 1 damaged later on as well. So that still stays well with the AFM/Alan Warnes claim of 8 jets lost by IAF.

 

[rafale]

Indians have also busy actually getting their pack up and deploy times better. They were caught both places with S-400 locations exposed despite their “academic” ideas of rotation and dispersal.

Now they are finally trying to drill it into practice.

Always about who learns faster and has fresher memory

How can your most potent AD system be a real threat if it is constantly being packed up and moving? I mean, if PAF keeps lobbing CM400s and other SOWs at S-400 it means it will never light up its Radar and without Radar it would be hard for it to guide the interceptors to their wet dream kills of 250-300 km........so in essence it then does not remain a threat.

 

[Sparten]

F1 was found unsuited for certain roles but then worked in other aspects.

F1 is el cheapo. Mass brings its own siuitability. It can be used to saturate enemy AD.

 

[Gripen9]

F1 is el cheapo. Mass brings its own siuitability. It can be used to saturate enemy AD.

How many salvos did we launch? from what I recall not many.

 

[Oscar]

How can your most potent AD system be a real threat if it is constantly being packed up and moving? I mean, if PAF keeps lobbing CM400s and other SOWs at S-400 it means it will never light up its Radar and without Radar it would be hard for it to guide the interceptors to their wet dream kills of 250-300 km........so in essence it then does not remain a threat.

It can always be a threat. PAF doesn’t know constantly where it is and even in the recent aspect it is possible was not in the primary location but PAF picked it up with ELINT and Satellite pass.

That doesn’t mean PAF will always pick it up.Its engagement radars are designed for time-on-air minimization, enabling rapid “shoot-and-scoot” operations. So, mobility combined with sensor fusion ensures the S-400 remains an active kill chain component even under sustained electronic and kinetic pressure.

To be fair - Indians screwed up its potential through their lax procedures rather than the S-400 not being a threat. The same happened in Ukraine because many S‑400 batteries were left in fixed, well mapped locations with poor camouflage and predictable radar emission patterns, then engaged by long range missiles and drones once their 92N6/96L6 radars lit up, or caught parked in revetments and depots between moves.

If you aren’t intelligent and diligent enough about your assets be it S-400 or Rafale you will be responsible for their loss rather than some system lack of capability.

 

[NA71]

The Most clear admission ....watch

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[LC150]

@LC150 @Yasser76 @rafale

Now that IND has agreed to buy USD 500 American goods, he may make it 0-10 (0 Indian jets and 10 Pakistani jets) rather than 8-0. Be careful of what you wish for.

Regards

it is possible.

but it wont change global perception that India got it's arse handed on a plate

while PAF will not share data on kills of IAF on public domain it does share it with potential buyers.

in the end india begged for a ceasefire ... and that is all you need to know how india fared... just like in 2019...

 

[LC150]

IAF decides to dedicate an exercise on 27 Feb to PAF victory in Op Swift Retort.

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the more you lose the more you try to explain your "greatness"

 

[Oscar]

IAF decides to dedicate an exercise on 27 Feb to PAF victory in Op Swift Retort.

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Prepare for the flood of “victory” images and “proof” posts by Bhaktoras