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[Imran-1114]

what I think and how I think has no bearing on the equal levels of fraud in ALL the elections in Pakistan. It remains the same.

Yes you’re smarter than Newton and Einstein? Fine, live in your fantasy world. But arguing with someone so rigid-minded and untouched by education is completely pointless.

 

[VCheng]

Yes you’re smarter than Newton and Einstein? Fine, live in your fantasy world. But arguing with someone so rigid-minded and untouched by education is completely pointless.

Excellent idea. I will think as I feel is right. You can do the same. I have no problem with that at all.

 

[Taimoor]

Allah has given us the ability to distinguish between right and wrong; otherwise, we would be like animals. My brother, I only shared my experience with you. If you do not agree, that is fine. We should have an open mind to listen and understand what is right or wrong. But if someone argues with a predetermined mindset and uses such words, then it becomes very difficult to help them.

Hence the need for deep and irreversible army reforms, a proper firmware update, which cannot be undone by any reboots, where the expression "bloody civilians" don't even cross the minds, let alone spoken, and replaced with serve and obey.

These people are beyond any cure, but we as a nation need to seriously think on how to ensure such mentality doesn't corrupt the new rank and files.

I haven't come across a nation where a small group got such disdain towards their fellow citizens and their collective will.

 

[Taimoor]

How about the one that brought IK into power?

Why don't you tell us what happened? "RTS" rings any bell?

 

[Taimoor]

IK blood sample needs to be tested asap, to check if something was administered to him.

 

[Watandar]

Thankfully they saved Punjab from the same fate of the failed state of KP.

Unconstitutional actions by the army and bureaucracy is what has ruined Pakistan. It's not something to praise.

 

[Distant_Observer]

Unconstitutional actions by the army and bureaucracy is what has ruined Pakistan. It's not something to praise.

It's saved Pakistan from a much worse outcome.

The people are incapable of leading which is why the establishment is compelled to intervene.

 

[Watandar]

It's saved Pakistan from a much worse outcome.

The people are incapable of leading which is why the establishment is compelled to intervene.

The people are who made the country, what makes the Establishment better in any way ?? The idiot Establishment should have allowed the people to mature and political culture and institutions to develop, Pakistan would be in a thousand times better place today.

 

[newb3e]

LOL.

Hypocrites are the ones that want to disbelieve one election where their cult leader lost by fraud, but ignore the one he won by the same fraud.

NS was as much a fraud as IK back then, as SS is now. There is no hypocrisy in saying what is true for all of their elections.

were you there when people were voting? or were you wiping some dynastys arse? we were there we voted we know who we voted for!

give us facts or just up with your constant BS!

 

[Distant_Observer]

The people are who made the country, what makes the Establishment better in any way ?? The idiot Establishment should have allowed the people to mature and political culture and institutions to develop, Pakistan would be in a thousand times better place today.

You are refusing to understand the ground realities of this country and what the fauj had to do.

If this is democracy then no thank you.

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[VCheng]

The people are who made the country, what makes the Establishment better in any way ?? The idiot Establishment should have allowed the people to mature and political culture and institutions to develop, Pakistan would be in a thousand times better place today.

The dreams of the people who made the country died in 1971. It took six years for General Zia to recreate modern Pakistan in 1977 in his own image. What exists now is General Zia's Pakistan, not Jinnah's.

Once people understand that reality, everything else makes more sense. It is still not right, but it is at least more comprehensible, and explains the reality of what IK's cultits still refuse to accept.

It does not matter: IK's time as a useful puppet came, and went, exactly like all the other idiots.

 

[Watandar]

You are refusing to understand the ground realities of this country and what the fauj had to do.

If this is democracy then no thank you.

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Ground realities of the country is that the Fauj has polluted politics, sabotaged all other institutions and retarded the political development of the people. The same Fauj has failed to present a better alternative and subjected the country to repeated failed political experiments from 1950s to today.

This idea of "the people are not ready for self-government" is what the British used to say about their Indian colony, and its no surprise that colonial relics like the Fauj have the same ugly mindset towards the people of Pakistan.

 

[VCheng]

we were there we voted we know who we voted for!

So where are all those you claim voted for IK now? Sleeping? Having chaa tey biskoot? May be just keyboard bashing?

Where were you all on February 8th when IK had called for nationwide protests? Shame on you not standing up for your commitments then.

You are the ones to be blamed for failing to live up to your professed ideals.

 

[Watandar]

The dreams of the people who made the country died in 1971. It took six years for General Zia to recreate modern Pakistan in 1977 in his own image. What exists now is General Zia's Pakistan, not Jinnah's.

Once people understand that reality, everything else makes more sense. It is still not right, but it is at least more comprehensible, and explains the reality of what IK's cultits still refuse to accept.

It does not matter: IK's time as a useful puppet came, and went, exactly like all the other idiots.

agree on what Gen Zia did to Pakistan, it doesn't mean we cannot speak the truth about what he and other dictators did to the country : endless harm.

What I find irritating is the ignorant and brainwashed Pakistanis who give the same excuses for these dictators as British used to give about their colonies "These unwashed masses are not ready for self government hence our rule is necessary". What BS.

 

[VCheng]

agree on what Gen Zia did to Pakistan, it doesn't mean we cannot speak the truth about what he and other dictators did to the country : endless harm.

Speaking the truth is always important. But the real question is: is it enough?