PTI news, updates and discussions part ll

[Goenitz]

It is permitted in the Islamic law and same for the Western jurisprudence.

so does IK have human rights? or the islam is very selective here?

 

[Goenitz]

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[Blain2]

so does IK have human rights? or the islam is very selective here?

He clearly does. Doctors visiting, spousal visitation every week, home cooked meals every day of the week, access to books, private chambers, private washroom, walking/exercise area, cleaners etc. He is just not being allowed to talk because every time they allowed it, it generated yet another propaganda cycle bashing the state and its institutions.

What he has been allowed, most others in Pakistani prisons aren't and most Pakistanis know that. Even the PTI base was surprised by the report of the Amicus curiae (Friend of the Court) about the amenities available to Khan sahib but then the party line of it not being "enough" was communicated on the SM and everyone fell in line.

I have a personal view on this which is that IK should not be in jail at all as his charges are mostly trumped up and exaggerated (and in light of that, even being in jail with all the amenities is a travesty, so I GET IT). However, I also have a personal view that for the sake of the country he needs to find a workable solution instead of this "my way or the highway" situation prevailing. Blame for this goes equally to the govt/establishment and IK/PTI so I am not even blaming just Khan sahib.

 

[Goenitz]

He clearly does. Doctors visiting, spousal visitation every week, home cooked meals every day of the week, access to books, private chambers, private washroom, walking/exercise area, cleaners etc. He is just not being allowed to talk because every time they allowed it, it generated yet another propaganda cycle bashing the state and its institutions.

IK hasn't met his personal physicians since 2025. The jail Dr/Compounder could check only BP, sugar, flu, etc

A labourer mushaqti was cooking his meal. The DIG and Col (in what capacity he is there anyway) have access to that area.

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IK has not met lawyers for months.

In normal condition, CVRO has 1 in 1000 incidence for 70+ people.
Since November, nobody has met IK. The doctors had no access for blood work already since 2025. Still, nobody is allowed to meet him. I bet Asim Munir is trying to kill him through chemicals or similar.
Why is his bloodwork not allowed? Why can't his Drs meet him, who never talked politics?

 

[Goenitz]

I have a personal view on this which is that IK should not be in jail at all as his charges are mostly trumped up and exaggerated (and in light of that, even being in jail with all the amenities is a travesty, so I GET IT). However, I also have a personal view that for the sake of the country he needs to find a workable solution instead of this "my way or the highway" situation prevailing. Blame for this goes equally to the govt/establishment and IK/PTI so I am not even blaming just Khan sahib.

Essentially, I don't care about IK politics. I am angry that our army is doing so many wrong things. Why is it favouring corrupts and getting corrupt in return. Anyway, the situation could have been better dealt with but now too many lines have been crossed.

Perhaps, people can forgive later. I just want for our future generations not to be ashamed of what we did to Dr Yasmin Rashid, Dr AQ Khan, IK, etc. Reconciliation is the key. IK becomes the PM or not, any PM needs the army in the end.

 

[gamaji]

Which convictions? Most of the cases couldn't hold against the scrutiny in court of law.

How did convicted criminal as per Panama leak , an actually corrupt individual like nawaz shareef got access to his personal doctor Adnan, who made up fake reports on platelets and send to IK cabnite as if Nawaz was about to die and IK send him abroad on humanitarian grounds. Did you lot shared his reports from test done in London?

The scumbags you support, don't even go there trying to compare any situation, IK has actually lost his eye due to you lot criminal activities against him.

He is in jail after the scrutiny in court of law.

Now you keep cursing, naming, and blaming others. That doesn't justify IK's crimes or remove his punishment. I cannot care less about that.

 

[Blain2]

IK hasn't met his personal physicians since 2025. The jail Dr/Compounder could check only BP, sugar, flu, etc

A labourer mushaqti was cooking his meal. The DIG and Col (in what capacity he is there anyway) have access to that area.

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IK has not met lawyers for months.

In normal condition, CVRO has 1 in 1000 incidence for 70+ people.
Since November, nobody has met IK. The doctors had no access for blood work already since 2025. Still, nobody is allowed to meet him. I bet Asim Munir is trying to kill him through chemicals or similar.
Why is his bloodwork not allowed? Why can't his Drs meet him, who never talked politics?

So which other "prisoner" is being allowed to meet with their own "personal physician/trainer/financial advisor" etc.? This is Pakistani "qaid", ostensibly better for the "VIP politicians" than the common man.

Clearly your source of information is from the echo-chamber so it is hard to argue with it. What I have are the facts from the report of the Amicus curiae which clearly state that he was being allowed food "cooked from home" to be delivered to him everyday. Maybe the friend of the court is just full of himself and you and your sources are more accurate. You need to re-read the report. The "Mushaqqati qaidi" is cleaning his washroom and room. All food for Khan sahib comes from home (including two days where he is served chicken, 2 days beef and the other days snacks etc.)

As far as his lawyer not meeting him, I am not condoning that. However, the other side's view is that the moment he has access, he starts spewing vitriol and bile against the state institutions through his SM channels. Clearly nobody can solve this unless some sort of understanding is attained between the two sides.

Otherwise, as they say, "lagay raho".

 

[gamaji]

Show us if IK refused his treatment or something similar. Khawja Saad Rafique spent 3 months on just a small operation for kala motia.

Search for yourself how badly Rana Sanaullah was treated in jail and how he was deprived of his routine medicines too. There was a reason he lost one eye while in jail
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How NS was refused to make a call to her wife who was on her death bed is shameful. There are many other cases too.

You should be grateful that this filthy convicted criminal is getting so much facilities in jail and the best medical treatment by the best doctors in Pakistan.

IK will not be out of jail despite getting all possible treatment for his disease.

 

[Blain2]

Essentially, I don't care about IK politics. I am angry that our army is doing so many wrong things. Why is it favouring corrupts and getting corrupt in return. Anyway, the situation could have been better dealt with but now too many lines have been crossed.

Perhaps, people can forgive later. I just want for our future generations not to be ashamed of what we did to Dr Yasmin Rashid, Dr AQ Khan, IK, etc. Reconciliation is the key. IK becomes the PM or not, any PM needs the army in the end.

No, you DO care about his politics. That is the only thing that matters to you.

Army/establishment does not favor ANYONE. They are looking for those that it can conduct its foreign and domestic policy with. The establishment will dump any democrat if their agenda is different from the perceived views/agenda of the establishment (for right or wrong reasons, they believe they are the guarantors of the national security - aka the deep state).

What did we do to AQ Khan? He was saved from potential kidnapping/assassination by foreign elements. When the Libyans ratted on us, AQK took the blame (with agreement with the Pakistani security circles). The US was going to put serious sanctions on Pakistan's entire security and nuclear architecture. The only option was to convey the optics of punishing AQK. Not a perfect situation for anyone, but also one in which Pakistan had to make a very tough call and safeguard itself. I will always consider AQK to be a HERO of Pakistan. Everything he did, by hook or crook was fantastic. However, outsiders were looking at it differently thus the steps by the then government.

Political figures like Dr Yasmin Rashid are a casualty of the ongoing tussle. BB too was kept in jail by Zia, and then Bhutto held many others in jail for other reasons. This unfortunately has been a part and parcel of Pakistani politics. I can sit here and say "all of it was unfair and wrong" but the reality is that this has gone on, is going on and will continue to happen. There were people complaining about repression during IK's tenure too. Who knows what their personal tragedies were that never came to light since they were not public figures like Dr Yasmin Rashid.

I am just tired of this division, rancor and hate. Hoping that the principals involved on both sides see the damage being done to the national fabric, set their egos, interests aside and come together.

 

[Cipher212]

Context is important. Give 100% guarantee to Pakistanis that there's no Vigo Dala or cancellation of Character certification awaiting them if they join a PTI rally and you'll see higher turnouts.

Though either way, protest as much as they like with hundreds of thousands of people, Pakistan doesn't work that way. It will have zero effect.

That is why I have said all along that the level of public support being claimed for IK and PTI may or may not be true, and can be believed only if there is actual evidence to show it. Thus far, there has been precious little shown.

 

[Cipher212]

No, you DO care about his politics. That is the only thing that matters to you.

Army/establishment does not favor ANYONE. They are looking for those that it can conduct its foreign and domestic policy with. The establishment will dump any democrat if their agenda is different from the perceived views/agenda of the establishment (for right or wrong reasons, they believe they are the guarantors of the national security - aka the deep state).

What did we do to AQ Khan? He was saved from potential kidnapping/assassination by foreign elements. When the Libyans ratted on us, AQK took the blame (with agreement with the Pakistani security circles). The US was going to put serious sanctions on Pakistan's entire security and nuclear architecture. The only option was to convey the optics of punishing AQK. Not a perfect situation for anyone, but also one in which Pakistan had to make a very tough call and safeguard itself. I will always consider AQK to be a HERO of Pakistan. Everything he did, by hook or crook was fantastic. However, outsiders were looking at it differently thus the steps by the then government.

Political figures like Dr Yasmin Rashid are a casualty of the ongoing tussle. BB too was kept in jail by Zia, and then Bhutto held many others in jail for other reasons. This unfortunately has been a part and parcel of Pakistani politics. I can sit here and say "all of it was unfair and wrong" but the reality is that this has gone on, is going on and will continue to happen. There were people complaining about repression during IK's tenure too. Who knows what their personal tragedies were that never came to light since they were not public figures like Dr Yasmin Rashid.

I am just tired of this division, rancor and hate. Hoping that the principals involved on both sides see the damage being done to the national fabric, set their egos, interests aside and come together.

Go see the politics of developed countries doing far better than Pakistan ever will. Plenty of hate, rancor and division, even their national assemblies and congresses are a circus show of their worst people. Left wing, right wing, ultra nationalists, weird SJW liberals and what not. Even the odd separatist movement in their border regions.

Nevertheless, they have plenty of infrastructure and social development, industry and often a decent military too. Dozens of high and medium developed countries fall into this category. I don't need to give example.

Then we have Pakistan. Same shit. Except for one key difference. We have this lovely military that has an identity crisis. For some reason they think they are also a political party. Thus, we remain on the path to becoming a brown North Korea.

EDIT: And yes, even developed countries have a deep state. In India its their elite businessmen who are mostly Gujratis. South Korea has Chaebols, Italy probably still has a Mafia. but again, they're mostly civillians. Not serving military officers. That's called conflict of interest.

 

[ToqeLowkey]

Days are coming very close when we will drag zionist generals from there homes and cut their necks. You just wait.

 

[Taimoor]

He is in jail after the scrutiny in court of law.

Now you keep cursing, naming, and blaming others. That doesn't justify IK's crimes or remove his punishment. I cannot care less about that.

All are cooked up chrages agasint his by Asim Muneer and his henchmen in GHQ. They cant stand scrutiny in court of law , yet becuase now GHQ control judiciary, GHQ keep on getting the appeals against the judgements, what happened to Cipher and iddat case?

Because you are nooni toon, and since you are a loud mouth, why dont you cough up Nawaz test reports from UK about his platelets, just like his money trail for his London properties? While you doing this, have some shame that IK allowed your mai baap Nawaz to go abroad on humanitarian grounds.

 

[VCheng]

Context is important. Give 100% guarantee to Pakistanis that there's no Vigo Dala or cancellation of Character certification awaiting them if they join a PTI rally and you'll see higher turnouts.

Though either way, protest as much as they like with hundreds of thousands of people, Pakistan doesn't work that way. It will have zero effect.

LOL. Trying to make a real difference without having to work hard for it is always a losing game, as we can see already.

Besides, you have admitted that there will be zero effect of any protests that do happen, so it is time to just go home and have the afternoon tea. The tabdeeli can wait, so let's try biscuits and cake from the newest bakery in town.

 

[VCheng]

This is a good baseline, but more information is needed, such as systemic factors, lab results, and visual field test results:

The medical report of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) founder Imran Khan's eye examination has revealed a marked improvement in his vision, with specialists noting reduced swelling and better clinical indicators in the right eye.

The examination was conducted on February 15 by a medical board comprising Professor Dr Nadeem Qureshi of Al-Shifa Trust Eye Hospital and Professor Dr Muhammad Arif Khan of Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences (PIMS) Islamabad, read a report issued on Monday.

The report stated Imran's vision in the right eye without glasses was recorded at 6/24 partial, while the left eye measured 6/9.

With corrective glasses, the right eye improved to 6/9 partial and the left eye to 6/6, as per the report.

Imran's medical exam shows 'improvement' in right eye vision

The medical report of Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf founder Imran Khan's eye examination has revealed a marked improvement in his vision, with specialists noting reduced swelling and better clinical indicators in the right eye.The...

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