Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[TopGun786]

Everyone is inpressed by IAF performance on 10th May.

Of course losing some 7)jets including 4 top of the lost Rafales is not a small feat.

 

[PK781]

They will attack Pakistan again. It's a real threat. Something will happen again. We should focus on our missile programme, especially hypersonic missiles. Without them, we can't do enough damage on indian side. The lack of indigenous SAM systems is a real worry. And how to defend airbases against a barrage of brahmos? I am sure there will be a ground invasion next time. They want to adjust loc to their own advantage.

i hope they do, and this time it ENDS their fucking dreams for good.
Ghazwa e Hind is awaited eagerly!!

 

[Waz]

They will attack Pakistan again. It's a real threat. Something will happen again. We should focus on our missile programme, especially hypersonic missiles. Without them, we can't do enough damage on indian side. The lack of indigenous SAM systems is a real worry. And how to defend airbases against a barrage of brahmos? I am sure there will be a ground invasion next time. They want to adjust loc to their own advantage.

They'll attack with stand off munitions and missiles. Ground invasion is out of the question and it will brought to a halt fast with them taking massive casualties, and losing land. Russia did the same thing, and lost huge numbers of men and equipment, and their superiority was far greater compared to what India has over Pakistan.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

They'll attack with stand off munitions and missiles. Ground invasion is out of the question and it will brought to a halt fast with them taking massive casualties, and losing land. Russia did the same thing, and lost huge numbers of men and equipment, and their superiority was far greater compared to what India has over Pakistan.

this time, such attacks may also come with economic constriction.

Peace and war, go together if enemy is willing to take losses to cause economic destruction, it can eventually tear down defenses internally (implosion).

Im not a military specialist nor I play video games, so my understanding is very limited, I acknowledge as far military affairs go. But, one thing I know for uncertain, if you enemy has found the strength to cripple your economy by bribing your dealers and manufacturers, country wont survive!

problem with bribing is, it does not have to come in monetary package. It can also take form of favor or mental break downs or offsetting previous favors!

If im Ind. planner, I would only question:

1. willingness of informes from Pak. side to do the job for the least amount
2. what do I need to charge pak. trades, dealers and manufacturers!

it could be a plot in dubai or something off the books!

 

[rafale]

The last system is the interesting bit - but at the end they have realized they have no solution to the BVR issue regardless of "harping" on R-37. So best is to stick to stand off saturation attacks which are a big concern because with the likes of Rampage it is more difficult to spoof and intercept.

It is very likely that IAF wont engage in air combat at all in its next conflict and will stay will back relying on an even more saturated AD and spamming missiles in the air

Rampage is air launched right? So it means IAF will have to put fighters up in the air.....and to utilize the maximum 200km stated range of Rampage, they would be exposing themselves to the Pakistan SAMs at higher altitude.....anything less than 250 km range means they are again in the cross hairs of PL15 or whatever newer improved missiles PAF can field. So how are they planning on utilizing SPICE and Ramage missiles without again getting shot down in the process? Seems counter intuitive.

I think they are planning that they will strike with SCALP and BRAHMOS in the opening salvos and once they have achieved their wet dreams, they will then pound with RAMPAGE and SPICE.

And yes you are right, there is nothing IAF can muster to go into AA fight with PAF today or even 3-4 years from now on. R-37 is like many of their soviet/russian junk, overhyped and untested. Neither has any of their Russian AA missiles scored any kill nor their Pissraeli or French ones in past decade or so.

 

[Ali_Baba]

@Oscar

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This order is very very embarrassing for India as Pakistan is producing equivalents of those missiles in Pakistan or will have their equivalents very soon, and India is forced to go and get them from Israel but nothing they have local is good enough !!!!!!

 

[PK781]

This order is very very embarrassing for India as Pakistan is producing equivalents of those missiles in Pakistan or will have their equivalents very soon, and India is forced to go and get them from Israel but nothing they have local is good enough !!!!!!

The embarrassing thing for our side is the cuckness and the shit restraint being shown every time. in 2019 we returned abhinonedone and now in may2025 our fouj showed restraints again

Time to GROW a pair of balls FIRST.

 

[Oscar]

This order is very very embarrassing for India as Pakistan is producing equivalents of those missiles in Pakistan or will have their equivalents very soon, and India is forced to go and get them from Israel but nothing they have local is good enough !!!!!!

Before we start boasting -
All of the weapons are those which India has heavily integrated on all of its aircraft(so yes one can point "giggles" at their various local programs not having done much at scale other than Brahmos). But it also shows that they have enough coffers to order what works for them enmasse and basically tell their local industry to go fix their game(or if you look the other way, the local industry is as usual shafted before it gets its legs under it).

 

[Gripen9]

This order is very very embarrassing for India as Pakistan is producing equivalents of those missiles in Pakistan or will have their equivalents very soon, and India is forced to go and get them from Israel but nothing they have local is good enough !!!!!!

Yes you are right. But quantities matter. As @JamD had suggested earlier, we maybe will have 20ish taimoors by end of 2027 which are nowhere even close to the quantity we will need to retaliated or deter.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Yes you are right. But quantities matter. As @JamD had suggested earlier, we maybe will have 20ish taimoors by end of 2027 which are nowhere even close to the quantity we will need to retaliated or deter.

Yes, but neither GHQ or PAF can now ignore the manufacturing issue given the volume of missiles that India is ordering for the next round.

They will need to review these procurements, and fix the manufacturing issues given that they don't have the coffers to buy on mass as India can ?

 

[Watandar]

The embarrassing thing for our side is the cuckness and the shit restraint being shown every time. in 2019 we returned abhinonedone and now in may2025 our fouj showed restraints again

Time to GROW a pair of balls FIRST.

You cannot grow a pair of balls while dependent on IMF/World Bank bailouts, Gulf loan rollovers and expat remittances. Around May conflict last year, India tried to pressure the IMF to delay a scheduled tranche payment to Govt of Pakistan, this time the IMF said no, what if the next time it says yes ? Same with the Gulf loan rollovers.

National Security and defense is more than just the number of bullets, tanks and missiles in your possession.

 

[Cookie Monster]

The embarrassing thing for our side is the cuckness and the shit restraint being shown every time. in 2019 we returned abhinonedone and now in may2025 our fouj showed restraints again

Time to GROW a pair of balls FIRST.

Because the reality is Pakistan has shit economy to back a prolonged war. It's barely getting by as it is without war...u think it can sustain a long term war with an enemy who has deep pockets? Small skirmishes and winning an advantage in a limited scope is the best that anyone could hope for given the current circumstances.

 

[r3alist]

i think ...since trump is increasing the numbers they worry cat will be out of the bag! in honesty how long they will hide! sooner or later people will start questioning him and then he will release it.

that video is not available here, how do i search it on youtube.

bunker buster missile testing was done bec, it did not invovle nuk** (in its warhead)

Go look for 13 days - John Paul Jones.

Because they are the Chaudhary's of the world unfortunately.
As thos old buses in karachi used to have on their back.
"Tappar hai tu pass kar, warna bardasht kar"

Sorry for the multi quote, since we are talking about videos this was a good narrative.

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[PK781]

You cannot grow a pair of balls while dependent on IMF/World Bank bailouts, Gulf loan rollovers and expat remittances. Around May conflict last year, India tried to pressure the IMF to delay a scheduled tranche payment to Govt of Pakistan, this time the IMF said no, what if the next time it says yes ? Same with the Gulf loan rollovers.

National Security and defense is more than just the number of bullets, tanks and missiles in your possession.

sometimes i wish it would actually happen that way (as u said) , in order for it to actually bring some change in the region

status quo is , as we observe, a fucked up situation anyway. Maybe it will rid us of this kanjar ruling elites ?? I see no other way for any change,,,,,,we continue to suffer due to this status quo.

 

[Taimoor]

.anything less than 250 km range means they are again in the cross hairs of PL15 or whatever newer improved missiles PAF can field

I doubt they will eat PL15s , some other delicacy will be served next time.