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[Arthur]

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Any detailed information on the main gun & armour?

@Afif @Fatman17 @LeonBlack08

 

[Afif]

Any detailed information on the main gun & armour?

@Afif @Fatman17 @LeonBlack08

Same config as with the first batch.

I am more interested with the fact that VT4A1 was seen in BD army camouflage.

 

[Arthur]

Same config as with the first batch.

I am more interested with the fact that VT4A1 was seen in BD army camouflage.

Hope they get rid of the old tanks altogether.


Is there any indications of customization like Pak Army did? VT4s performance was not up to the mark in recent Thai-Cambodia war as per many media outlets.

 

[Afif]

Hope they get rid of the old tanks altogether.


Is there any indications of customization like Pak Army did? VT4s performance was not up to the mark in recent Thai-Cambodia war as per many media outlets.

Yes, Chinese tanks are not very good. But the one seen in BD army's cammo was equipped with APS and enhanced armour and UAV system.

 

[Doraemon2115]

Yes, Chinese tanks are not very good. But the one seen in BD army's cammo was equipped with APS and enhanced armour and UAV system.

Then why did Bangladesh still buying it? Isn't it a waste of money?

 

[Afif]

Then why did Bangladesh still buying it? Isn't it a waste of money?

Because newer tanks are still a significant upgrade over our ancient fleet of type69.

Because we are cash strapped and simply can't afford western options in numbers.

 

[Blain2]

Hope they get rid of the old tanks altogether.


Is there any indications of customization like Pak Army did? VT4s performance was not up to the mark in recent Thai-Cambodia war as per many media outlets.

There was a single instance of a VT-4 tank having its barrel rupture over intense firing (exceeding 200 rounds...what is unknown is what the rate of fire was when this occurred). Thai army has not pulled any of the tanks out of service while they conduct fleet wide review.

Second, its not as if some large tank battles happened in the Thai-Cambodia conflict. Thai army were using tanks as artillery and firing from static positions. What could that have revealed of substance to come to this conclusion?

In a typical tank battle, a VT-4 can would be carrying a load out of 38 rounds and can support a rate of fire of 8 rds/minute. I can guarantee, some ill-trained crews (Thai Army by the way is conscripted) under pressure, exceeded the rate of fire which led to the barrel rupture.

If you exceed the specified rate of fire, even a Rheinmetall gun, arguably the finest tank gun in the world on account of the high-tech metallurgy and design, can have a rupture.

 

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[Michael Corleone]

Same config as with the first batch.

I am more interested with the fact that VT4A1 was seen in BD army camouflage.

Im so hyped about the vt4s. Mbt2000s can easily be upgraded to that standard

 

[Michael Corleone]

There was a single instance of a VT-4 tank having its barrel rupture over intense firing (exceeding 200 rounds...what is unknown is what the rate of fire was when this occurred). Thai army has not pulled any of the tanks out of service while they conduct fleet wide review.

Second, its not as if some large tank battles happened in the Thai-Cambodia conflict. Thai army were using tanks as artillery and firing from static positions. What could that have revealed of substance to come to this conclusion?

In a typical tank battle, a VT-4 can would be carrying a load out of 38 rounds and can support a rate of fire of 8 rds/minute. I can guarantee, some ill-trained crews (Thai Army by the way is conscripted) under pressure, exceeded the rate of fire which led to the barrel rupture.

If you exceed the specified rate of fire, even a Rheinmetall gun, arguably the finest tank gun in the world on account of the high-tech metallurgy and design, can have a rupture.

Barrel rupture comes from wear or faulty shells not rate of fire and rate is fire is dependent on factors such as autoloader or human loader and placement of shells in the tank itself. If what you say is true, conscript tankers... I don't think they significantly dish out more performance than performance soldiers to increase rate of fire

 

[Blain2]

Barrel rupture comes from wear or faulty shells not rate of fire and rate is fire is dependent on factors such as autoloader or human loader and placement of shells in the tank itself. If what you say is true, conscript tankers... I don't think they significantly dish out more performance than performance soldiers to increase rate of fire

Dishing out more is the exact point I am trying to make which could have led to the rupture (I am attributing excessive wear to this issue). VT4 has an autoloader which can be bypassed. So some human element could have a role to play in this. If this situation was seen with more than 1 tank then it could point to other issues. All the OSINT points to this being observed with a single tank.

Second, professional tankers know what their limits are. Conscripts less so. In the heat of the battle, did this tank's gunner(s) go out of specifications? Was the ammunition Q/A'd? As you can imagine firing over 200 rounds meant that this specific barrel could have been abused on multiple occasions even prior to bringing it into the operational theater.

It's just very limited information to say the tank is no good. Even the Thai Army is carrying out its investigation right now.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Dishing out more is the exact point I am trying to make which could have led to the rupture (I am attributing excessive wear to this issue). VT4 has an autoloader which can be bypassed. So some human element could have a role to play in this. If this situation was seen with more than 1 tank then it could point to other issues. All the OSINT points to this being observed with a single tank.

Second, professional tankers know what their limits are. Conscripts less so. In the heat of the battle, did this tank's gunner(s) go out of specifications? Was the ammunition Q/A'd? As you can imagine firing over 200 rounds meant that this specific barrel could have been abused on multiple occasions even prior to bringing it into the operational theater.

It's just very limited information to say the tank is no good. Even the Thai Army is carrying out its investigation right now.

Yes I would suspect the barrel wasn't maintained or replaced. Poor cleaning and mud, dust exposure can also lead to premature failure. I wouldnt write off Chinese tanks on this one failure alone.