Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[kastor ville]

I think Turkey and Pakistan will be the next ones to begin feeling the heat. Turkish long term vision for the Mideast is in competition with Israel's and Pakistani nukes/missiles will never be tolerable or acceptable to Israel or the West. It will be a long game though, played over the next 20 years.

I don't think West or Israel will act against their collaborators the Saudis, Egyptians etc.

1000%
They're already talking smack about Turkey.....but I will tell you this, they won't attack Turkey, they will get the US to mount sanctions on it first to wane the popularity of the govt.....that's their MO.

 

[StrategicBear]

The force deployed against Iran now is MASSIVE. That's why I preferred Preemptive Strikes when the amount of US assets are so few so IRGC can take them out one-by-one... Now, IRGC has to fight and face a MASSIVE force right out in the open simultaneously.

Does Iran even have enough missiles, drones and munitions to overwhelm and saturate not only Carrier Battle Groups, but overwhelm defences at dozens of US Bases and Israeli targets? Based from my analysis, Iran literally needs hundreds of launchers, thousands of MRBMs and IRBMs and 10,000+ SRBMs of all types to confidently overwhelm the AD from all those bases and carrier battle groups.

Compared to sinking ships and rendering US bases inoperable due to massive destruction, closing the Hormuz Strait is however much easier done as Iran has thousands of naval mines, anti-ship cruise missiles and tens of thousands of MLRS rockets and thousands of the launchers... all hidden inside caves and camouflaged positions with some decoys too here and there.

 

[hasssanali8998]

akistani nukes/missiles will never be tolerable or acceptable to Israel or the West

as kissinger told us after smiling budha test -- "deal with it "

best part about nukes are they cant even destroy us due to the fear of those nukes ending up in wrong hands .
best they can do is bogg us down in political conflict and insurgency , which our idiots in GHQ have done themseves so relax we are going nowhere .


also as much as i hate zia and bhutto may they rest in peace

 

[Persian Gulf]

If they don't hit Bahrain and the UAE....I will be very disappointed. These 2 countries should be treated as Israeli outposts.

lets see what bases the USAF actually uses. if they directly use bases in those countries for offensive operations against Iran, I agree with you.

 

[Persian Gulf]

The force deployed against Iran now is MASSIVE. That's why I preferred Preemptive Strikes when the amount of US assets are so few so IRGC can take them out one-by-one... Now, IRGC has to fight and face a MASSIVE force right out in the open simultaneously.

Does Iran even have enough missiles, drones and munitions to overwhelm and saturate not only Carrier Battle Groups, but overwhelm defences at dozens of US Bases and Israeli targets? Based from my analysis, Iran literally needs hundreds of launchers, thousands of MRBMs and IRBMs and 10,000+ SRBMs of all types to confidently overwhelm the AD from all those bases and carrier battle groups.

Compared to sinking ships and rendering US bases inoperable due to massive destruction, closing the Hormuz Strait is however much easier done as Iran has thousands of naval mines, anti-ship cruise missiles and tens of thousands of MLRS rockets and thousands of the launchers... all hidden inside caves and camouflaged positions with some decoys too here and there.

10,000? do not need close to that many

each US destroyer has 100 SAMs x 10 destroyers = 1,000 SAMs

with 90% interception rate, need 100 ASBMs to have 1 impact per destroyer, which is enough to take them out of commission

for example

 

[mangekyo]

The force deployed against Iran now is MASSIVE. That's why I preferred Preemptive Strikes when the amount of US assets are so few so IRGC can take them out one-by-one... Now, IRGC has to fight and face a MASSIVE force right out in the open simultaneously.

Does Iran even have enough missiles, drones and munitions to overwhelm and saturate not only Carrier Battle Groups, but overwhelm defences at dozens of US Bases and Israeli targets? Based from my analysis, Iran literally needs hundreds of launchers, thousands of MRBMs and IRBMs and 10,000+ SRBMs of all types to confidently overwhelm the AD from all those bases and carrier battle groups.

Compared to sinking ships and rendering US bases inoperable due to massive destruction, closing the Hormuz Strait is however much easier done as Iran has thousands of naval mines, anti-ship cruise missiles and tens of thousands of MLRS rockets and thousands of the launchers... all hidden inside caves and camouflaged positions with some decoys too here and there.

I’m not as optimistic about Irans millitary prowess compared to other Iranians here. I think it’s game over. There is IMO nothing Iran can do if the US truly decides to take out Iran.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I’m not as optimistic about Irans millitary prowess compared to other Iranians here. I think it’s game over. There is IMO nothing Iran can do if the US truly decides to take out Iran.

I don't think many are still optimistic. the vast majority are now very pessimistic about the outcome of such a war.

 

[Immortals]

I’m not as optimistic about Irans millitary prowess compared to other Iranians here. I think it’s game over. There is IMO nothing Iran can do if the US truly decides to take out Iran.

I think people underestimate how much intel US has where Iran stores its weapons and launchers. In case of cruise missiles and naval assets they are very close to the shore/coast and will be hit. Not everything is under a mountain and with US they will have hundreds of drones and many spy satellites monitoring Irans movements.

People thinking Iran are going to be able to launch 100 ASBMs salvos at US carriers are living in a very optimistic land.

The question is how much arms has Iran built up in these last 25 years and how many survive the initial shock and awe campaign.

At the end of the day, a $1Trillion military vs $30b military was never going to be a fair fight.

 

[kastor ville]

I’m not as optimistic about Irans millitary prowess compared to other Iranians here. I think it’s game over. There is IMO nothing Iran can do if the US truly decides to take out Iran.

Again, this is not about winning.....Iran is being killed by death of 1000 small cuts. The sanctions, the bombing, the assassinations....the currency manipulation...etc. I think Iran has had enough of the old man's patience and symbolic strikes....they want pay back. I think it will be easy to give the aggressors a pounding in return, as I said many times the Strait of Hormuz closure and the bombing of the UAE gas terminals could be devastating to the energy markets.....that alone is a win.
Asia, Europe, North America will see a few trillions of dollars evaporated in only 2 weeks of non-navigation of the strait.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

If they don't hit Bahrain and the UAE....I will be very disappointed. These 2 countries should be treated as Israeli outposts.

Qatar, Kuwait, UAE, Bahrain. Hit them all as hard as possible; military, energy, civilian infrastructure because Iranian civilians will die due to their assistance of US forces against Iran.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

After Iran it will be Egypt and Pakistan, then Qatar and Saudi.

LMAO! World view of people is sometimes so opposite of realities.

Qatar is just one city, it has one major air base and that too has US military over there. Why on earth they need to attack themselves?

Why on earth US would even bother to attack Egypt, Qatar or KSA. All of them are super allies and super obedient states of America. All of these have multiple US bases.

Pakistan too is unlikely target as Pak military keep close relations with US and Pakistan from time to time is given "ally" status. So it does not make sense to attack Pak. Also it would be a massive gamble as Pakistan is strategic ally of China. They could have attacked Pakistan if it was in stage of building nuclear weapons and not already in possession of 200 nukes


Now I tell you which country would really be next. That is Algeria! An islamic country that is not in west's grip. The country that buy weapons from Russia and China. The country which condemns West's dupicities and brutalities. US don't go against obedient nations with puppet regimes, they go against non-puppet regimes.

 

[Watandar]

Qatar, Kuwait, UAE, Bahrain. Hit them all as hard as possible; military, energy, civilian infrastructure because Iranian civilians will die due to their assistance of US forces against Iran.

I would focus on the UAE only. The more countries you attack, no matter the reasoning, the harder everything gets.

 

[mangekyo]

I don't think many are still optimistic. the vast majority are now very pessimistic about the outcome of such a war.

Except for civilian deaths and family members, I’m not worried about the outcome of the war. Worrying implies that there is at least a small chance we can beat the enemy. What I’m actually worried about is what they have planned for post-war Iran. Wether it’s civil war, balkanization, installing pahlavi, or a coup by IRGC+ reformists.

IRGC + reformists coup that leads to a pro-western government and full sanctions lifting is wishful thinking, but they did it with Jolani, so why not with IRGC + reformists?

As much as I despise pahlavists, I can live in good conscience with a Pahlavi Iran, knowing they will ironically avenge us by shitting on UAE, Turkey and all these backstabbing countries who enabled this war.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

I would focus on the UAE only. The more countries you attack, no matter the reasoning, the harder everything gets.

Energy infrastructure in Qatar, Kuwait should be hit when war starts, the sea and airports as well. Exports and imports of goods and energy and weapons should be made impossible.

Iran has no choice and time to be selective or to hesitate.

 

[OldTwilight]

I don't think many are still optimistic. the vast majority are now very pessimistic about the outcome of such a war.

This is too late too blink and back off , let's see what will happen.