Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Shags101]

The Jews have deceived you. If attacking Iran was an easy task, they wouldn't have sent you. They hide behind you.

We will make you forget the memory of Vietnam.

To be fair Iraq and Afghanistan is still in the minds of many sucks that their were better options to a degree for both countries but we decide on the hammer approach instead of the surgical approach of removing the cancers from each country like those

 

[mangekyo]

I've said the same thing... This is a deterrence move. This is to give him second thoughts about thinking.This is gaza or lebanon, where they can come and cut the grass every few months. This is why I keep saying our win would look different than what these military guys want a win to look like.

I’m not sure I understand the point you want to make. Are you saying the U.S will have to give us a favorable deal if we deter them millitary?

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

The force deployed against Iran now is MASSIVE. That's why I preferred Preemptive Strikes when the amount of US assets are so few so IRGC can take them out one-by-one... Now, IRGC has to fight and face a MASSIVE force right out in the open simultaneously.

Does Iran even have enough missiles, drones and munitions to overwhelm and saturate not only Carrier Battle Groups, but overwhelm defences at dozens of US Bases and Israeli targets? Based from my analysis, Iran literally needs hundreds of launchers, thousands of MRBMs and IRBMs and 10,000+ SRBMs of all types to confidently overwhelm the AD from all those bases and carrier battle groups.

Compared to sinking ships and rendering US bases inoperable due to massive destruction, closing the Hormuz Strait is however much easier done as Iran has thousands of naval mines, anti-ship cruise missiles and tens of thousands of MLRS rockets and thousands of the launchers... all hidden inside caves and camouflaged positions with some decoys too here and there.

This option is better... the liability is greater and onus is on the aggressor. It will still go down and those their become a hostage of their mere presence... there is no back up and the paradigm collapses on trillions in debt ... an old and sick population living in an environmental disaster with no silver lining.
Orange promises twilight.
What rhymes with german?

 

[kastor ville]

The U.S has a massive sword hanging over its neck


Because countries are beginning to make independent deals away from the U.S

So if Russia and China make a deal or Iran and China etc and they do so in their own currency, the more this happens the more the U.S will suffer


So at the moment the U.S is starting to threaten everyone not to step away from the dollar but the more irrational and erratic the U.S become the more countries pull away

So already Europe, Canada, India and others are looking for work around

Already countries are looking for their own exchanges outside the usual visa or MasterCard etc


You just have to look closely at what's happening


If the Arab states were not such cucks they could really damage the U.S



If the U.S was smart (look at @SolarWarden, it is not)
They would understand the need to.make better relations and sensible policy
Instead more and more dangerous and erratic and waging wars for the Jews

The U.S is sealing its own fate

Exactly....they did this to themselves. Nobody likes a bully.

Iran led the way for the de-dollarization, Iran helped make the Iraq war costly. Not to credit Iran, but it was the main cause other countries decided to inoculate themselves against the dollar sanction.
Iran helped HZ beat the Israelis in 2010
Iran successfully targeted Israel for the first time in 40 years!
Iran will now prepare to make sure colonial powers won't get to bomb Muslim countries and fly away for dinner.

 

[kastor ville]

I’m not sure I understand the point you want to make. Are you saying the U.S will have to give us a favorable deal if we deter them millitary?

No, I'm saying it will keep them in check for the future after they realize there won't be a quick and easy operation. One of the mistakes we made, (I'm saying this now, but at the time I didn't object) was to end the 12 day war knowing our missiles were getting through and finding their target. If we had kept pounding them an extra week, they wouldn't have talked about any future operations.

 

[mangekyo]

No, I'm saying it will keep them in check for the future after they realize there won't be a quick and easy operation. One of the mistakes we made, (I'm saying this now, but at the time I didn't object) was to end the 12 day war knowing our missiles were getting through and finding their target. If we had kept pounding them an extra week, they wouldn't have talked about any future operations.

I agree with you here. But even if we remove the millitary threat, we still need to deal with sanctions and the environmental crisis which imo is a much bigger threat.

 

[kastor ville]

the US has $38.6 trillion debt

this is 136% of the US GDP. in 2000, the US debt was 59% of GDP.

the US operates a $1.9 trillion annual deficit and the debt increases by $1 trillion every 100 days

if interest rates start to outpace growth rates, it can spiral very quickly

This will eventually make America a 2nd rate power to China.....this debt of their own making, they didn't need an enemy to do this to them.
The only to bring this down is to devalue the currency and that will make low/middle class Americans poorer and inflation higher.....which could lead to political upheaval. By devaluing the dollar, they can make that debt cheaper to pay off, but there is no real will for this anyway......however you want to look at it, this amount is a giant amount, it can't go away easy or quickly....it's a multi decade operation. In that time it will erode the dollar itself and it will erode their means to project power around the globe.
Remember. They did this themselves, by electing idiots who are actors and tv show hosts....elected politicians that were owned by a foreign country...... That got them into multiple useless wars.
They never needed an enemy. The enemy was within.

 

[kastor ville]

I agree with you here. But even if we remove the millitary threat, we still need to deal with sanctions and the environmental crisis which imo is a much bigger threat.

One step at a time........patience.

 

[kastor ville]

Not my fantasy is my guess of what the US is going to do. There's a reason why the US has massed all those forces maybe it is you that is in a state of fantasy if you think the US is just going to slap Iran on the hand. This is not going to be a sneak attack on nuke sites like during 12 day war.

Believe me homeboy, we hope so too...... Iran needs to learn to take the gloves off. . Iran needs to know that this is a battle for its survival.... Half measures will destroy it.. If we go for the jugular, we might come out of this.. Are your soldiers ready to die for Israel?
Are your soldiers ready to die in the Persian Gulf for nothing?
Iran has less to lose then the US..... Iran doesn't need a total victory, but you guys do.
I guess we'll find out this weekend.

 

[kastor ville]

The US can have a quadrillion dollars in debt and it won't matter, no one is coming to collect on that debt.

This is wrong..... The debt is affecting everything here. Expenditures for social services are down. Expenditures for infrastructure rebuild are using borrowed funds.
The debt will eventually cause major problems for the low/middle class income and purchasing power......all it needs is a catalyst. Like destroying the rules based order, which they're doing a marvelous job of doing. A catalyst, such as losing trade partners and alienating allies. A move such as pushing. Their trading partners into the arms of BRICs.
Just google what is happening in Canada, India and the global south.

 

[SiliconBit (silicon0000)]

we should have nukes ... damn , it's hard to know what will going happen , know the ways to prevent it , saying it loud for years ,being mocked and ignored ...

well look like the fear of sanctions on nukes going to cost us everything ....


in the end the fatwa and khamenei fear of losing his self made oligarchy supports is going too cost us everything...


Kim Jung un didn't try too act so smart against USA and he built the nukes and he and NK are safe , Khamenei tried to play the west and is going too get killed and destroy Iran with himself ....

the moment that Ukraine accept the ceasefire, it was obvious that Iran was played as a card , just like what Ahnadinejad warned and khamenei ignored ...

Iran still has the option of using Dirty Bomb on Israel, if required.

Their are 120 guests reading this thread

I don't know what that means

Ramadan begins so the night owls

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

Iran issues NOTAM over planned missile launches on Thursday

 

[lightning f57]

Exactly. US owns vast majority of the debt like 80-90% of it.

As long as those treasury holders accept their payments in USD, it doesn't matter. The US Treasury can print as many USD as it needs and can continue to do so as long as it remains the world reserve currency and is backed by US bombs and bullets.

Every year Congress raises the debt ceiling and USD treasuries are not viewed as any more risky of an investment. If US debt begins to matter then the US has already fallen as a global power first.

Keeping it simple.

Printing lots of dollars will make the situation worse for americans, even if they hold 80% of their debt, as that increases inflation and value of the dollar diminishes, the dollar investments value becomes less and less, and its not attractive any more for investors. Investors then pull out and put money in other assets.

Look at the direction of travel

Dollar share of global reserve early 2000's was in 70s - now down to 57%
Gold foreign reserves have risen by 30% v dollar
trumpy tarrif nonsense did something unprecedented, the dollar value and treasury values both dropped significantly, in uncertain times normally treasuries value go up.

If the US debt situation stays like it is, in 10 years it will be 40% higher with an annual deficit around $2.5trillion. Your be spending loads more paying interest than on defence. Good old trumpy is only accelerating things.

 

[mangekyo]

This is wrong..... The debt is affecting everything here. Expenditures for social services are down. Expenditures for infrastructure rebuild are using borrowed funds.
The debt will eventually cause major problems for the low/middle class income and purchasing power......all it needs is a catalyst. Like destroying the rules based order, which they're doing a marvelous job of doing. A catalyst, such as losing trade partners and alienating allies. A move such as pushing. Their trading partners into the arms of BRICs.
Just google what is happening in Canada, India and the global south.

US is not a sovereign state. They work for the MIC which is subordinate to the FIC. Were also seeing the true rise of TIC who is also subordinate to the FIC because they need capital. American tax payers will continue to get burdened by more debt while these three entities continue to amass wealth. All that matters is that capital keeps flowing back to the US stock market.

 

[SolarWarden]

Believe me homeboy, we hope so too...... Iran needs to learn to take the gloves off. . Iran needs to know that this is a battle for its survival.... Half measures will destroy it.. If we go for the jugular, we might come out of this.. Are your soldiers ready to die for Israel?
Are your soldiers ready to die in the Persian Gulf for nothing?
Iran has less to lose then the US..... Iran doesn't need a total victory, but you guys do.
I guess we'll find out this weekend.

I'm gonna guess you've never served in the military or you wouldn't be asking these questions but I'll do you a solid and answer.... yes! US soldiers are ready to die in any war they are order to fight that is what US soldiers and Marines sign up for. They know exactly what they are getting into.

US hasn't defined a "victory" when it comes to Iran only a strategic goal of removing the regime from power and Iran's nuclear and ballistic missile capabilities... that is my assumption and assumption from many others also from the amount of US forces are being deployed to the region.

I don't want this conflict and I didn't want the US strikes on Iran in 2025 either (check my post) I'm just finally accepting what is coming and hoping it doesn't get out of control. No way did I ever think during 12 day war the Orangeman would strike Iran I thought it was a bluff but he did it and was relieved when nothing else happened. No way did I think Orangeman would strike Venezuela I thought all those US forces in the area was negotiation tactic/bluff or at least there to strike cartel yeyo facilities but once again I got fooled. So when Orangeman said he would strike Iran leadership if they killed ""protestors"" I said oh fk! I will never again tell myself Orangeman is just bluffing so I'm accepting that this conflict is going to happen and all I can do is hope it doesn't go to cht.