Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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These threats on the lives of SL Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and other conservative leaders in IR are either psychological game designed to bully Iranian leaders or they could be desperations on Trump's part where he found the SL not buying his bullying.

We need to understand the fact that the "Israelis" tried to take him out in the last 12-day war and failed to do so.

 

[Watandar]

These threats on the lives of SL Ayatollah Ali Khamenei and other conservative leaders in IR are either psychological game designed to bully Iranian leaders or they could be desperations on Trump's part where he found the SL opposing his bullying.

We need to understand the fact that the "Israelis" tried to take him out in the last 12-day war and failed to do so.

I think its credible news that decapitation is among the options. That's what was used in Venezuela. Who knows Trump may have people on the inside willing to play ball provided Khameneini is removed.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

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[Shags101]

Iranian FM refused to open envelope containing US proposals on missiles — source

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www.timesofisrael.com

Well at least they showed trump they have their own red lines good for them

 

[PK781]

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Hence its all about the ‘greater israel project’ which means they want to takeover all mideast, including KSA.
Not a surprise to many of us. Its their plan all along

Unfortunately the arab kinglets just can’t see or realize this. They r blind

 

[StrategicBear]

In 1945 Japanese did exactly that at Pearl Harbour. Then, read on Google, what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945.

War is just not an option, diplomatic solution must be found out.

There's no diplomatic solution, I'm with the other Pakistani poster here who favors preemptive strikes. Preemptive strikes are good because it allows us to defeat and eliminate enemy targets one-by-one before they amass a larger force which IRGC would find more difficult to fight.

Thermoplyae was exactly that, as the narrow battlespace allows Spartans to kill Persian soldiers one by one without the Persians able to leverage their numerical superiority for a massive encirclement.

 

[StrategicBear]

Exactly, my friend, it's because I'm an expert in "mass manipulation." The Western media is controlled by Zionism, and it doesn't spread new or fake news(only); it's alos used as a strategy to generate something from misinformation, media is an arm of militarism.The most that can happen there is a media attack Venezuela-style; forget about open warfare.

You don't know Caucasians/Europeans.

Their men, especially their men, are a warmongerer race and most of Europe's history is mostly wars with each other than colonialism. The US doesn't deploy forces as massive as this then bring them home without using them as Trump would feel weak if he doesn't order the attack. War is 100% a certainty now.

 

[Shags101]

There's no diplomatic solution, I'm with the other Pakistani poster here who favors preemptive strikes. Preemptive strikes are good because it allows us to defeat and eliminate enemy targets one-by-one before they amass a larger force which IRGC would find more difficult to fight.

Thermoplyae was exactly that, as the narrow battlespace allows Spartans to kill Persian soldiers one by one without the Persians able to leverage their numerical superiority for a massive encirclement.

No sad thing is I think the Saudis and Egyptians have slowly started to open their eyes but what they can do at this stage is almost pathetic and man seriously the Jordanians are really bent over for the Israelis and on all four for trump let’s not even talk about uae there used to be people who used to defend uae now most of those who once openly supported them have gone quiet on this board

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

If it's so easy why couldn't you dare to capture Taiwan till date ?.

Last thing we need is free lectures.

Because China's leaders are too lenient with Taiwanese.

Also, China is accelerating in the technology/military in an exponential rate, and they don't want the US using Taiwan as a disruption to the momentum.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You don't know Caucasians/Europeans.

Their men, especially their men, are a warmongerer race and most of Europe's history is mostly wars with each other than colonialism. The US doesn't deploy forces as massive as this then bring them home without using them as Trump would feel weak if he doesn't order the attack. War is 100% a certainty now.

Well, obviously most Iranians here don't want to fight the US in a full scale war, and I believe it gonna be too harsh to ask Iran to withstand such burden.

However, the war is becoming unavoidable for Iran, and they need to confront it, but also to fight wisely.

The primary objective for Iran should break the catapults of the two supercarriers and totally incapacitate the two ships.

Then the democrats and most US citizens would ask to cease the fire without escalating to a nuclear retaliation.

 

[Bharatah]

You don't know Caucasians/Europeans.

Their men, especially their men, are a warmongerer race and most of Europe's history is mostly wars with each other than colonialism. The US doesn't deploy forces as massive as this then bring them home without using them as Trump would feel weak if he doesn't order the attack. War is 100% a certainty now.

There will be no open war with Iran; what they may attempt is a media campaign to create a "victory narrative."

 

[kastor ville]

Thermoplyae was exactly that, as the narrow battlespace allows Spartans to kill Persian soldiers one by one without the Persians able to leverage their numerical superiority for a massive encirclement.

I hate to break it to you....but the battle of Thermopylae is a great exaggeration and a source of great irritation to me, Herodotus was a Syrian raconteur who lived in Greece and supported himself by going to rich Greek household to recount great battles to entertain them......in the same book that he describes this battle, he speaks about dragons and one eyed giants. Unfortunately Herodotus' book was the only one that contained references to big chunks of history.....because savages burned down most other texts. In any case, I don't consider it accurate, neither do serious historians.
Sadly, after the dumb Arabs burned down all the libraries in Persia, that's after Alexander the Great burned down some in Persepolis.

 

[kastor ville]

How do you know anti-monarchy numbers are vastly larger? Have we had a referendum on this? At this point, everything is speculation.

And who says that only monarchy should replace the IR? Even Reza Pahlavi doesn't say he wants to be a monarch. He talks about leading the transition "government" until elections are held.

There is a poll, if we can count on it.....a lot of people say in this kind of govt, you can't have an accurate poll. Pahlavi had about 30% poll backing.....but most pros believe those numbers were skewed to bulk up his popularity...so even with the juiced numbers he only managed 1/3. The numbers are supposedly closer to 15%.........and that's mostly with the older set that were alive before the revolution.
Google GAAMAN Pahlavi poll. and then ask AI for a breakdown

AI breakdown:
Mixed Popularity: A 2022 survey showed that while 64% of Iranians viewed his father, the former Shah, positively, this does not translate directly to equivalent support for Reza Pahlavi himself. Other analyses suggest his popularity is high among certain segments, particularly monarchists, but low among reformers and liberals.
Divided Opposition: Pahlavi is seen by many in the diaspora as a prominent opposition figurehead, especially during recent protests, yet he faces criticism from within the fractured Iranian opposition for being polarizing.
Questioned Support Base: Critics argue his support is often overestimated, pointing to a lack of deep, organized support inside Iran and potential artificial inflation of his popularity via social media.
Controversial Image: His reliance on supporters often seen as far-right, his association with US/Israeli interests, and his monarchical background limit his appeal among those prioritizing national sovereignty or anti-monarchy views.

 

[Saifullah]

currently only 18% of Americans support an American war with Iran

what do you think will happen if Iran launches a preemptive strike?

it's not fair, but life isn't fair when your enemy is the world's superpower.

Trump doesn’t care what Americans think. Public support doesn’t matter as much anymore. Just look at the Epstein files. It has been released and had 0 effect. You’d expect such revelations to cause massive resignations and arrests in USA. Also, republicans WANT a culture war in USA. The more polarization the better for them. Trump is a psycho and he will find some way to win the midterms.
USA will launch decapitation strikes on Iran soon. As you said, the enemy is the world’s superpower. Can’t expect to win it. Might as well launch pre emptive strikes and take out as much as the enemy as you can.

 

[Saifullah]

Than it would give trump all the excuse to bring all of nato and unless I’m mistaken trump has signed mutual defense agreements with quite a few Arab countries that would be forced to fight for him instead of looking the other way while trump and perhaps Israeli planes fly over their skies

All of NATO already is covertly supporting this. Arab countries, Iran will be forced to attack American bases in those countries anyways. But the difference is that will be after USA/Israel has launched its initial decapitation strikes against Iran and caused massive damage. Don’t you see the game being played here? USA/Israel WANT and Arab-Iran war. The biggest losers in this are Arabs and Iran. Decades of coward or sellout rulers have caused this mess. The best way to cause the least harm in the Middle East now would be taking out all American and israeli assets in the region in a pre emptive strike. It might even force Arabs to avoid the war seeing the damage in the pre emptive strikes.

This whole war is an unavoidable war now. Better to go down causing USA/Israel significant damage.