K2RULEZ
Elite Member
As every other person should.
Abu Dhabi is ‘Israel’s Trojan horse’.
- Thread starter _Arabia_
- Start date
As every other person should.
Persian Gulf
INT'L MOD
_Arabia_
SpeedLimited
- Thread starter
- #48
Are you sure about that? What has this supposed "more trusted" position given them? They were denied the F-35 after signing the Ibrahim (AS) Accords for instance.
Unlike KSA which never signed the Ibrahim (AS) Accords nor was this even a point of discussion in the historical deals that were signed between KSA and USA which have been covered in detail in this thread below and span almost every sector of any worth:
Highlights covered by the American media.. American motives, Saudi political engineering, and the balance of new gains
A few days ago, Washington witnessed one of the most influential visits in the history of modern Saudi-American relations, after His Royal Highness Prince Mohammed bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, Crown Prince and Prime Minister - may God protect him - met with His Excellency US President Donald Trump, in a visit described by the American press as "a restructuring of the alliance."
What is striking about the scene is that most American analyses agreed that...
A few days ago, Washington witnessed one of the most influential visits in the history of modern Saudi-American relations, after His Royal Highness Prince Mohammed bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, Crown Prince and Prime Minister - may God protect him - met with His Excellency US President Donald Trump, in a visit described by the American press as "a restructuring of the alliance."
What is striking about the scene is that most American analyses agreed that...
Trump even made KSA a major non-NATO ally for the first time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_non-NATO_ally (Pakistan is apparently also part of this club - I was not aware of this)
The proxies/separatists that they have been supporting in the region, many of them have just been sanctioned by the US (RSF in Sudan).
If anything I believe that Abu Dhabi is being used by the Zionists to cause havoc in the region and help fragment the region. In return they are not really getting anything of substance.
Of course not, the Ibrahim (AS) Accords, as I wrote in this thread or another one (do not recall now given all the discussions, lol) was an attempt by the Trump/Biden administrations to somehow tie Arabs and Israel together economically and politically which would (in their ideal worldview) contribute to a lasting solution to the question of Palestine. As well as reducing regional tension in order for the US to focus on China and East Asia/Russia/Ukraine/Europe. Given that US is now mostly energy independent which was not the case in the past. In other words they wanted to leave the region to regional allies and for those regional allies to work it out among themselves.
This never gained any real traction other than Morocco - which used the Israel relationship to gain power in the stupid rivalry with Algeria and the UAE. Why? Due to Israeli actions and Israel not doing anything to help solve the Palestinian question. Which contributed to the already existing mistrust and hostility. In short, Israel was never interested in implementing the Ibrahim (AS) Accords properly and never wanted a two-state solution or a one-state solution with equal rights nor did they want to accept that they cannot rule and dictate events in the region on their own.
Starlord
Trusted Member
Well KSA is no angels themselves, UAE definitely work as a hub for MOSSAD CIA activities and spying missions but lets not forget that KSA also has massive USA bases and every USA base has full access to IDF, plus KSA and UAE will make peace eventually anyway so all this fuss is nothing but another distraction for Muslims, we have seen it before. Entire Arab leadership rush in lines to prove themselves to be the biggest cucks for America/Israel, while the countries surrounding them burn one after another.
_Arabia_
SpeedLimited
- Thread starter
- #50
@r3alist
According to the Epstein files (or some related files that were made public) MBZ admitted some 10-15 years ago, that half of his army would listen to the call of "some scholars in Makkah and Madinah" over his own commands.
I cannot find the file now, but I am sure Google can find it. I even recall posting it on this forum.
This reality is probably the reason why he has tried to limit the influence of Islam in UAE and why the UAE has been weirdly obsessed about propagandizing this entire "Abrahamic family religion".
Did you notice the last 2 minutes of Tucker's discussion with Huckabee? Out of nowhere, after criticizing every country in the region (KSA, Turkiye, Qatar, Iran) he started naming the UAE as a model country and exactly this "Abrahamic Family House".
I am not making it up:
Here is another deranged individual (well-known):
I just took a look at the KSA-UAE media war in both Arabic and English-speaking media and it does not look like this rivalry will be solved anytime soon.
While this is not ideal, no conflict is, but a part of me looks forward to KSA putting Abu Dhabi in its place. Looks like most of the people in the region and wider Muslim world agree with this.
There are no US bases in KSA. The Prince Sultan Air Base is a Saudi Arabian base fully under the control of KSA. Whenever it is used by the US (mostly as a transition hub due to its central location), it always happens with KSA approval. This is also the only base that the US uses. As for Israel, KSA has had no relations with Israel since 1948 so what you are writing is nonsense as well. Same with USA. KSA has a mature relationship with the US that has nothing to do with Israel and which predates the birth of Israel as an entity even.
According to the Epstein files (or some related files that were made public) MBZ admitted some 10-15 years ago, that half of his army would listen to the call of "some scholars in Makkah and Madinah" over his own commands.
I cannot find the file now, but I am sure Google can find it. I even recall posting it on this forum.
This reality is probably the reason why he has tried to limit the influence of Islam in UAE and why the UAE has been weirdly obsessed about propagandizing this entire "Abrahamic family religion".
Did you notice the last 2 minutes of Tucker's discussion with Huckabee? Out of nowhere, after criticizing every country in the region (KSA, Turkiye, Qatar, Iran) he started naming the UAE as a model country and exactly this "Abrahamic Family House".
I am not making it up:
Here is another deranged individual (well-known):
I just took a look at the KSA-UAE media war in both Arabic and English-speaking media and it does not look like this rivalry will be solved anytime soon.
While this is not ideal, no conflict is, but a part of me looks forward to KSA putting Abu Dhabi in its place. Looks like most of the people in the region and wider Muslim world agree with this.
There are no US bases in KSA. The Prince Sultan Air Base is a Saudi Arabian base fully under the control of KSA. Whenever it is used by the US (mostly as a transition hub due to its central location), it always happens with KSA approval. This is also the only base that the US uses. As for Israel, KSA has had no relations with Israel since 1948 so what you are writing is nonsense as well. Same with USA. KSA has a mature relationship with the US that has nothing to do with Israel and which predates the birth of Israel as an entity even.
r3alist
Elite Member
If those are the beliefs of the UAE, which is what it looks like anyway to everyone, this cannot be reconciled with Saudi?can it
However the Epstein release seems like it is designed to be mischievous and helpful to USA
Starlord
Trusted Member
Yeah right, the whole American build-up to attack Iran is with KSA permission then? As for the relationship with USA, regardless of your denial it always seen from the lens of Israel for America. And as for any diplomatic relationship with Israel its merely symbolic at this point, KSA has dealing with Israel on various matters like Syria etc who knows that KSA air space might have been used to bomb Yemen. I know You are KSA nationalist and want to show that KSA is this & that but reality is your country is surviving for as long as "They" are allowing it to survive and the oil keep running and petro-dollar stands, they day KSA decided to even think of dropping that we all know what will happen, Hint look at Iraq and Libya.
_Arabia_
SpeedLimited
- Thread starter
- #53
The survival of the Iranian regime is not the problem of KSA, in case you do not realize this. The same Iranian regime has done nothing but cause mischief for KSA and the Arab world since 1979.
I do not believe that the leadership, rightly, has any love lost for the Iranian regime. That however does not mean that KSA supports some major war. The Prince Sultan Air Base is used as an American transition hub. KSA has already stated that they will not allow KSA territory to be used for any attacks on any country. Same thing occurred during past skirmishes, so yes, we have actual previous events that confirm what I say.
That is your claim, but I can counter the claim by stating just a few facts - KSA is the world's 12th largest country (by far biggest in the region), the region's largest economy (G-20 member state), the 3rd richest country on earth in terms of natural resources and mineral wealth, the cradle of Islam and home to the two holiest sites of the largest (soon to be) religion on the planet, the leader of the Arab world, one of the most influential areas on the planet in terms of religious, linguistic, historical, militarily, ethnic etc. influence worldwide, a booming country in every sector etc. Let alone never being colonized or a Western colony. On the contrary, numerous caliphate, empires, kingdoms, sultanates, emirates, imamates, founded by people from KSA or based in KSA; have ruled large areas of the West and Europe, in fact in places like Spain and Portugal almost for 800 years. From Greece to Portugal. Our ancestors created 3 of the 7 largest empires in history.
So I do not need to explain to you why you are writing nonsense, history and ground realities tell this story by its own.
Lastly KSA-USA relations predate Israel and are mature and highly developed in every sphere. Israel is irrelevant in this relationship. You still do not understand the influence of KSA even despite relocating to the US. You probably slept under the rock when MbS visited Trump and all those historical deals were signed. F-35 as the first Muslim and Arab nation too.
Just today, KSA and USA have signed this deal;
And nothing that I wrote is about "KSA STRONK" rhetoric but merely pure facts whether I, you or anybody else likes this.
Your likes have predicated the downfall of KSA for as long as I have been alive and the only thing that has happened during this time is that KSA is growing stronger in every field.
Ramadan Mubarak to you.
Last edited:
Starlord
Trusted Member
blah blah we are rich blah blah we signed deal worth billions blah blah, Qatar was like that too until they got bombed in broad day light, also first Muslim country to get F-35 lol that is a flex ? you have money to pay hence you get it it is as simple is that bro.
I never predicted any country's downfall, I only said your country's survival solely based on if you remain on the good side of the Chosen people, and be good subordinate to America, for as long as you keep doing that and oil remain flowing to America, and let Americans operate from your country and keep trading oil in Dollars you are good, its like you are the rich kid from the school people invite to cash the bill that's about.
But as for this topic, UAE for all its ills they made the deal with devil to survive, UAE is almost the size of Karachi, population is merely size of a single neighborhood, UAE Emirati's are not fighters, they got lucky to get oil and they offer it powerful country like America or else it would've been long gone from world map, Qatar/Kuwait are same too, KSA yeah bigger size but fate won't be different when and if the time comes, now due to Mecca & Medina i hope KSA never get attacked but this whole KSA/UAE bickering is nothing but another temporary distraction from much large issues plaguing ME.
Last, Iran security is definitely not KSA responsibility but if KSA air space and planes flew from KSA land than yes it becomes complicit in the destruction of Iran, but for now KSA is holding the position of not allowing Americans to use its air space to bomb Iran but who know what deals were done behind closed doors.
_Arabia_
SpeedLimited
- Thread starter
- #55
WIth all due respect my friend, your logic is that of a very ignorant person that does not see the full picture and only uses populistic slogans that are not even accurate to begin with.
Your summary of what I wrote is also ridiculous.
KSA barely sells any oil to USA (are you really this ignorant?) and KSA has had a TRADE surplus with the US for many years until recent years.
You keep blabbering about subordinate but the reality is that KSA has closer economic ties with China than the US. We are not a NATO member state to be a subordinate of the US. Our strategic missile force has literally nothing to do with the US nor our likely nuclear warheads.
In case you have not realize this yet but most of the world continues to trade in dollars. Why should KSA be any different unless we aspire to become a failed state or another North Korea?
So what is the point of you mentioning Iran when you agree that it is not the responsibility of KSA? And why are we wasting our time with speculation when we have very recent history (past 1.5 years of events) that confirm what I say - namely that KSA was not involved.
And why do you not blame Turkiye for hosting US/NATO bases/flyovers like in KSA, Cyprus, all of Southern Europe, UK, Germany, Azerbaijan, Pakistan before and after Afghanistan, Central Asian states etc. You are only obsessed about Arabs because we Arabians (Eastern Arabia at least) happen to be located next to Iran but you forget that those US weapons did not jump down from the sky but came from elsewhere - those nations/regions that I have mentioned.
And in case you do not know, KSA does not rule those small GCC states - they are independent states for a reason. And one of the reasons why those GCC states have welcomed the Americans is precisely due to them fearing that we will annex them. Go figure.
Last edited:
Starlord
Trusted Member
StrategicBear
Registered Member
Recent Right-Wingers in the West like Tommy Robinson and Elon, and many Anti-Black comments made by Racist Whites on X starting to make me hate White people... How can we counter Racist Scum like them?
Yasser76
Elite Member
Arab and betrayal go hand -in -hand
Bit of a generalisation, Saudi never betrayed Pakistan
KingQamaR
Elite Member
What I meant to say. Arabs throw Arabs under the bus
& blame outsiders for it. Truly are pathetic losers.
