Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

All my support Sir,

But please ........... BUILD THAT BOMB !!!!!!!!!

I have been saying that for years but they say it's haram.

I'm not much of an expert when it comes to the Quran, but when they shoved down religious education down our throats in school, I remember they said that the Quran has obligated Muslims to equip themselves with the strongest weapons. Nowhere it said that nukes are haram, particularly when your enemies want to destroy you.

 

[StrategicBear]

If the IRGC really wants to fight this war seriously, then they need to define what are their primary goals in this war, just like the Zionists did so for the 12-Day War.

Iran can't just simply accept a ceasefire just when the enemy who started this war suddenly wants peace negotiations when they're starting to lose a few hundred soldiers after bombings killed thousands of soldiers and civilians inside Iran.

To restore deterrence, Iran needs to define its goals? For example :

1. Internally, Iran may decide not to accept any ceasefire until a major strategic goal has been achieved ( like the sinking of a US Carrier or something)

2. Or Iran won't stop until all US bases are destroyed, or Iran devastates Israel enough to a certain degree

3. Iran needs to totally rout the enemy so much that they won't even think of going to war with Iran again. Treat this as an existential war, in which victory would only be considered if after the war, the enemy becomes so weakened or "learned their lesson" that they have to sign at least a 50-year or 100-year Peace Treaty/Non-Aggression Treaty with Iran to secure the Peace for many decades to come so Iran can rebuild and re-develop peacefully without any chance of this shit happening again.

So, Iran must treat this seriously now and no longer play-play...

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Maybe it's a trap
Maybe it's genuine
Maybe it's just for a standoff

10 hours earlier, people had believed, attack had started on a missile base

videos of massive fires caused by supposed attacks, appeared to show up!

1 poster here, was so sure, he started to call it, a certain destructive attack on IR, video clearly look AI doctored!

every body knows, it is may be!

what we dont know is, when!

I assure you, Khamenei has the answer

 

[Cash gk]

View attachment 180414

the new Pick Axe mountain site (next to Natanz) has 4 underground tunnel entrances - two on east side and two on the west side, around 1km apart

one speculated route between them in yellow suggests the mountain provides approx 150-160 metres of protection at its highest point (relative to the elevation of the entrances)

by contrast, Fordow offered 50-80 metres of protection at the highest points. notably, GBU-57s can penetrate 60m of earth before exploding.

What is the purpose to show these terminals

 

[Ali_Baba]

Once all that is over ...... If IRAN is still there, they'll need to SERIOUSLY deal with the Kurds. I would not say no to a long bombing campaign coordinated with the Iraqi govt

And turkieye too. Am sure they would love a piece of that action too.

 

[Immortals]

Which backchannels is the anime twitter guy talking about? And how did he come about them?

Ignore the anime guy. He just talks out of his ass. Not that his analysis is always wrong, just plain stupid takes.

The bar of using a nuclear bomb is extremely high and the second the U.S. uses a nuclear bomb it will be brought forward for War Crimes. It also leads to immediately legitimizing the use of nuclear weapons in first strike use by Russia or China. Pakistan vs India. North Korea vs South Korea. Etc.

It’s a very dangerous precedent to set and opening up Pandora’s box for decades to come. Moves humanity closer to all out nuclear war.

So immediately any Twitter analyst that seriously thinks US would use nukes on Iran simply loses most of their credibility. It’s fantasy.

 

[ShapurII]

Once all that is over ...... If IRAN is still there, they'll need to SERIOUSLY deal with the Kurds. I would not say no to a long bombing campaign coordinated with the Iraqi govt

We should've done it ages ago.
The IRGC had, and still has, major investments in Suleymanieh. Maybe that's why we haven't dealt with them seriously yet.

 

[StrategicBear]

This guy talks about how an Iranian preemptive strike might look like :

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[Immortals]

We should've done it ages ago.
The IRGC had, and still has, major investments in Suleymanieh. Maybe that's why we haven't deal with them seriously yet.

You cannot “deal” with the Kurds. Turkey has been trying for decades with the best military equipment they can buy.

The best way to deal with militants is to remove the incentive for someone to become a militant in the first place.

Places like Baluchistan, Kurdistan, Ahvaz are very poor and haven’t been economically developed going back to even the Shah era. People living in poverty and squalor are more likely to be radicalized or to pick up arms.

The best way to kill off the movement of militants is to lift people out of poverty alongside every targeted military action.

If Israel cannot eliminate Hamas miltants out of a postage stamp size piece of land, then Iran cannot eliminate Kurdistan terrorists out of the mountainous terrain either. You will be playing wack a mole for decades and end up right where you started.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

You cannot “deal” with the Kurds. Turkey has been trying for decades with the best military equipment they can buy.

The best way to deal with militants is to remove the incentive for someone to become a militant in the first place.

Places like Baluchistan, Kurdistan, Ahvaz are very poor and haven’t been economically developed going back to even the Shah era. People living in poverty and squalor are more likely to be radicalized or to pick up arms.

The best way to kill off the movement of militants is to lift people out of poverty alongside every targeted military action.

If Israel cannot eliminate Hamas miltants out of a postage stamp size piece of land, then Iran cannot eliminate Kurdistan terrorists out of the mountainous terrain either. You will be playing wack a mole for decades and end up right where you started.

are the Kurds, more sophisticated talis (Afghanis)?

 

[hyperman]

Once all that is over ...... If IRAN is still there, they'll need to SERIOUSLY deal with the Kurds. I would not say no to a long bombing campaign coordinated with the Iraqi govt

All the stupidity of "strategic hedging" with regards to the Kurdish matter against Turkey is coming to bite Iran. Its own former pet dog the PJAK/PKK is now the biggest Insurgent faction inside Iran.

We told them, cut this shit out, its going to burn both of us, don't be stupid, but no, they wanted to play games, and now when they are weak, the loyal dog is not so loyal anymore and hungry for land and sees opportunity and has backing from the decade old relations with the US via the Syria SDF/YPG relationship and Israel. All of the PKK Operatives are now going from Syria into Iraq to Sulamaniyyah and into Iran. Iran temporarily even lost control of cities with Abdanan and Malekshahi.

We told them, don't play games, FENCE your border, don't allow them to use Iranian mountain areas to flee from Turkey or to flee from Turkish operators in Iraq and crossing the Iraq/Iran border. We said don't send the PUK weapons in Iraq, its transferring them to separatist militant groups, don't give weapons to these militant groups, they will use it against you and me both. But no they were "so smart" "Persian 200IQ", their pets would only use it against Turkey and never Iran. Now in their weakness and bloodied up, the formerly loyal dogs are hungry and see opportunity and backers amongst the Zionists and Neocons in the US.

Its like the scene from game of thrones with Ramsey. Where Ramsey used the dogs, then when they were starving and Ramsey was bloody, they smelled blood and they attacked him.

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[shapurzolaktaf]

Iran-Pedophile talks scheduled for Thursday

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Why do you have reza pahlavi as your profile pic?

 

[hyperman]

Turkey has been trying for decades with the best military equipment they can buy.

Turkey has decisively dealt with the PKK in Turkey, and Syria with the recent operations, the PKK has dramatically receded. It only has Iraq right now, and is looking to expand into Iran, backed by the NeoCon/Israeli axis.

 

[ShapurII]

You cannot “deal” with the Kurds. Turkey has been trying for decades with the best military equipment they can buy.

The best way to deal with militants is to remove the incentive for someone to become a militant in the first place.

Places like Baluchistan, Kurdistan, Ahvaz are very poor and haven’t been economically developed going back to even the Shah era. People living in poverty and squalor are more likely to be radicalized or to pick up arms.

The best way to kill off the movement of militants is to lift people out of poverty alongside every targeted military action.

If Israel cannot eliminate Hamas miltants out of a postage stamp size piece of land, then Iran cannot eliminate Kurdistan terrorists out of the mountainous terrain either. You will be playing wack a mole for decades and end up right where you started.

The situation with Kurds is entirely different from the Baluch people in Iran.
Ahvaz doesn't really have well-organized armed separatists yet. There are small groups, mainly supported by Arabs of the Persian Gulf and Israelis, but they aren't organized yet, and they haven't caused any issues yet.

The Baluch separatism is slightly more advanced than Arab separatism in Iran, but like Arabs, they aren't that dangerous. Sure, they are violent and have killed our soldiers many times, but first and foremost, both Arabs and Baluch people in Iran hardly are more than 4% of the population together. Hence, not a serious threat to Iran's integrity.

However, Kurds are a completely different case.
Firstly, they're about 8% to 10% of the Iranian population. Secondly, they have political parties, training camps, independent media, PR campaigns, organizations, years of actual war experience in regional conflicts, etc. Erbil is the hub of Kurdish separatism in the Middle East.

They eye the territories of Iran, Turkey, Iraq and Syria. They even have their own names for these territories: Bakur, Bashur, Rojhava and Rojhelat.

Kurdish separatism goes well beyond poverty and underdevelopment. It's a political movement with nearly a century of armed terrorism and fake history and identity. Iran needs to deal with it at some point. If anything, we should've dealt with it when we had our maximum influence in the Iraqi government.

 

[hyperman]

Erbil is the hub of Kurdish separatism in the Middle East.

Not but Erbil, in many ways Sulaymaniyyah is a bigger issue. Thats the safe haven for the PJAK/PKK.