Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)

[SteppeWolff]

Rest, I agree as Pakistan has pursued talks, economic incentives, recognition, canvassing for Taliban the world over, hosting refugees etc. etc. but nothing has worked.

What is the state waiting for? Dozens are getting martyred by the day. The attrition is unsustainable.

 

[Meengla]

Pakistan needs to destroy every single terrorist camp on the border of which there are 100s.
Stop delaying and take action and protect the lives of your people.
Destroy their infrastructure, their depots, their weapons, their manpower and ability to organize.
Why are you prolonging this? It's been 20 years.
Stop listening to these PTM types sitting in the west secretly hoping Pashtunistan will be born from the ass of the taliban.

Americans left in August 2021 and the weapons they had to leave behind became an embarassment for Americans as the Taliban govt keeps parading them and mock the Americans. I think Pakistan has tacit American approval to destroy the Taliban weapons and the recently upgraded F-16s are already being used in Afghanistan. Plus the $40 million Americans supply to the Taliban regime is a huge amount every week and a leverage.
Abdullah Gul is famous General Hamid Gul's son. He seems to know what's going on not only in Afghanistan but also what's being planned against India in India's northeast as a leverage to stop India from meddling in Afghanistan.

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[Vapnope]

State obviously cannot handle these terrorists as the last 40 or so years can testify. So you may need to do the needful Mr Rambo Rambo Jaan Rambo.

Yeah state couldnt handle them thats why there are more than 1 million afghans dead and the rest continues to swarm pakistan to see a glimpse of civilization. State has been lenient since forever otherwise these kabuli bastards wont last a week.

 

[F.O.X]

Americans left in August 2021 and the weapons they had to leave behind became an embarassment for Americans as the Taliban govt keeps parading them and mock the Americans. I think Pakistan has tacit American approval to destroy the Taliban weapons and the recently upgraded F-16s are already being used in Afghanistan. Plus the $40 million Americans supply to the Taliban regime is a huge amount every week and a leverage.
Abdullah Gul is famous General Hamid Gul's son. He seems to know what's going on not only in Afghanistan but also what's being planned against India in India's northeast as a leverage to stop India from meddling in Afghanistan.

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The US did not “accidentally” leave equipment behind,, it made a conscious decision not to destroy large volumes of it before withdrawing. The Pentagon had full knowledge of what had been supplied over two decades. If the objective had been to prevent that hardware from ever falling into Taliban hands, much of it could have been disabled, dismantled, or destroyed before exit, as militaries have done in other withdrawals.

Instead, US chose speed of withdrawal over equipment denial. Given the widely acknowledged fragility of the Afghan government at the time, the risk of collapse was not unforeseeable. That means leaving behind functioning small arms, vehicles, night vision systems, and ammunition was a calculated trade off.

Whether one views that as strategic indifference or deliberate design, the outcome strengthened armed actors in the region and altered the security balance. Regional countries are now managing the consequences of that decision.

 

[Vapnope]

People please stop using islam and taliban in once sentence. There is nothing islamic about kabuli bastards. Cavemen chutiye.

 

[SirHeretic]

I thought the Taliban was supposed to retaliate? Are they really just gonna sit there and do nothing? That’s crazy

 

[M. Sarmad]

Afghans don't think "theologically". I think Pakistan has exercised sufficient "Islamic" restraint ever since Taliban have come to power.

If Afghans did think "theologically/Islamically", this Durand line issue would have been resolved long ago. Their "nation state" thinking gets in the way of this issue.

Rest, I agree as Pakistan has pursued talks, economic incentives, recognition, canvassing for Taliban the world over, hosting refugees etc. etc. but nothing has worked.

There’s a nuance here. The Taliban do think theologically, they reject the Durand Line because they reject the Western nation state model altogether... But at the same time, they do not even consider us Muslims, a classic Kharijite trait... That’s what truly inflames the conflict.

The irony is that for the Taliban, despite all the religious rhetoric, ethnicity trumps religion in practice, even if they never openly admit it.

 

[Meengla]

Instead, US chose speed of withdrawal over equipment denial. Given the widely acknowledged fragility of the Afghan government at the time, the risk of collapse was not unforeseeable. That means leaving behind functioning small arms, vehicles, night vision systems, and ammunition was a calculated trade off.

It was physically impossible to destroy that much weaponry especially considering the Ashraf Ghani regime was rapidly collapsing. Americans were scared of their own safe exit, let alone worry about APCs and rifles scattered in many places. The night the final American planes exited from the Kabul Airport is very informative of American fears about the exit. I believe Americans would have destroyed more if they had the time and the security to do so--remaining weapons only became an embarrassment to the Americans as the Taliban paraded/parading them.

Whether one views that as strategic indifference or deliberate design, the outcome strengthened armed actors in the region and altered the security balance. Regional countries are now managing the consequences of that decision.

Yes, the consequences for the region are really bad.

I thought the Taliban was supposed to retaliate? Are they really just gonna sit there and do nothing? That’s crazy

Taliban have already hinted toward activating their sleeper cells in Pakistan and I saw one report yesterday where some public places in Pakistan are partially restricted.
Yup, the brave warriors' favorite weapons is suicide bombers!!

 

[Watandar]

Yeah state couldnt handle them thats why there are more than 1 million afghans dead and the rest continues to swarm pakistan to see a glimpse of civilization. State has been lenient since forever otherwise these kabuli bastards wont last a week.

1 million afghans dead and state has been lenient since forever ? That is a contradiction wouldn't you say ?

 

[Vapnope]

1 million afghans dead and state has been lenient since forever ? That is a contradiction wouldn't you say ?

Yes state has been lenient otherwise the figure would have gone a lot higher. Afghans started haramzadgi right from 1947 when they gave shelter to faqir of IpI who was attacking pakistan. Where are talibans going to run if Pakistan stopped being lenient? Iran? India? Tajikstan? Lol

 

[Distant_Observer]

Remember they all want you to fail and get pleasure in your suffering.

No more explaining yourselves when you seek justice for your fallen.

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[F.O.X]

It was physically impossible to destroy that much weaponry especially considering the Ashraf Ghani regime was rapidly collapsing. A

Yes and no. It may not have been practical to destroy every single piece of equipment during a rapid withdrawal, but it was absolutely possible to render the majority of it inoperable. Militaries routinely conduct denial procedures when abandoning hardware. For example, disabling a Humvee permanently is not complicated removing or destroying the engine control module (ECM), damaging the transmission, cracking the engine block, cutting wiring harnesses, or stripping critical components can make restoration extremely difficult without an established supply chain.

The same applies to aircraft, armored vehicles, artillery systems, and even small arms. Avionics can be removed, optics smashed, barrels damaged, fire control systems stripped, and encrypted communication gear zeroized. Sensitive equipment like night vision devices and targeting systems can be rendered useless by destroying image intensifier tubes or thermal cores.

The US has the technical expertise and standard operating procedures for equipment denial. The fact that large quantities remained functional suggests that full scale disablement was not prioritized. Whether due to speed, cost, political optics, or broader strategic calculations, the choice was made not to comprehensively neutralize much of that hardware before departure.

 

[M. Sarmad]

. Afghans started haramzadgi right from 1947 when they gave shelter to faqir of IpI who was attacking pakistan.

Perhaps we should first ask ourselves why, in the heart of Islamabad, a main road is named after the Faqir of Ipi.

And perhaps we should also stop glorifying Afghan marauders by naming key missiles after them, and quit celebrating those who never accepted Pakistan, Bacha Khan included....

 

[Meengla]

Yes and no. It may not have been practical to destroy every single piece of equipment during a rapid withdrawal, but it was absolutely possible to render the majority of it inoperable. Militaries routinely conduct denial procedures when abandoning hardware. For example, disabling a Humvee permanently is not complicated removing or destroying the engine control module (ECM), damaging the transmission, cracking the engine block, cutting wiring harnesses, or stripping critical components can make restoration extremely difficult without an established supply chain.

I believe the Ashraf Ghani regime collapsed too quickly, too unexpectingly for the Americans to destroy all--but a lot of was still destroyed while in a rush to leave Afghanistan and I saw the Taliban regime after taking power complained that Americans violated some agreement by last minute attempt to destroy the military hardware.

Let's also understand: The American presence in Afghanistan was long--20 years--and the equipment were in a large amount and scattered and the Ashraf Ghani regime collapsed even worse than the South Vietnam regime fell. Until barely 6-8 weeks before the Fall of the Ashraf Ghani regime, there was some hope the regime would survive and fight and so the equipment was left untouched--they were the American security providers and allies, after all.

I don't believe Americans had any interest in leaving behind anything for the Taliban regime as long as the Taliban regime ensured a safe exit for the Americans, which they did.

 

[muz]

I thought the Taliban was supposed to retaliate? Are they really just gonna sit there and do nothing? That’s crazy

No worries the latest i heard a new fresh batch of two dozen sucide bombers are sent from kabul
I am pretty sure they wont be able to hit inside mainland PAK but will blow themselves up at various control points along the border to help the 3 to 5 men TTA fighters infiltrate