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Jango said:
What are you going to do with 100 drones? Which can be seen on radar from a mile away and be easily shot down? What additional capability would they provide that your current drone arsenal does not?
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These drones would be cheap, we can afford to lose them in battle.
Their job would be to go in first, ahead of our expensive, top-of-the-line fighter jets like the J-10, JF-17, or F-16. Think of them as the "bait." They fly towards the enemy's defenses, like their Akash or S-400 missile systems.
When the enemy turns on their radar to shoot the drones down, they give away their hiding spot. They basically shout, "Here I am!"
Once we know exactly where their air defense is located, we can then send in our manned jets or more advanced attack drones to safely destroy those targets.
 
Yatağan said:
These drones would be cheap, we can afford to lose them in battle.
Their job would be to go in first, ahead of our expensive, top-of-the-line fighter jets like the J-10, JF-17, or F-16. Think of them as the "bait." They fly towards the enemy's defenses, like their Akash or S-400 missile systems.
When the enemy turns on their radar to shoot the drones down, they give away their hiding spot. They basically shout, "Here I am!"
Once we know exactly where their air defense is located, we can then send in our manned jets or more advanced attack drones to safely destroy those targets.
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Ironically they did not do it that much in 2025. They did it for the first wave and after that for the LoC incursions at least Indians did not turn on their higher end AD and relied on their old Radar Bofors to bring down those drones because they figured out Pakistan was trying to sniff emissions.

Somewhat late however since their emissions control prior on 7th may was horrible so much so that PAF had a fix on many high value systems.
Unfortunately for the PAF they did not capitalize due to the usual paralysis by analysis by overall leadership which allowed India some gap to reposition certain mobile systems other than the S-400 which they stubbornly left in the same spot at least in the case of Adampur.
 
Oscar said:
Ironically they did not do it that much in 2025. They did it for the first wave and after that for the LoC incursions at least Indians did not turn on their higher end AD and relied on their old Radar Bofors to bring down those drones because they figured out Pakistan was trying to sniff emissions.

Somewhat late however since their emissions control prior on 7th may was horrible so much so that PAF had a fix on many high value systems.
Unfortunately for the PAF they did not capitalize due to the usual paralysis by analysis by overall leadership which allowed India some gap to reposition certain mobile systems other than the S-400 which they stubbornly left in the same spot at least in the case of Adampur.
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The last bit is interesting, because it means that for some reason or cognitive reason, they are not very comfortable with moving S-400 and treat it as more of a permanent fixture where it is deployed, meaning they assume too much that S-400 cannot be targeted. But then once CM-400s were on the way, it means Indians realized they are being successfully targeted and need to save the S-400 because newer ones to replace lost ones are gonna take a lot of time. Which means in future, you can expect same hesitance by Indians to move the S-400s............and if they remain silent or keeping moving then S-400 umbrella doesn't really help them.

I am sure PAF took a lot of realistic combat lessons from the short 4 day war.........and Indians gave up a lot of their tactics and thinking.
 
rafale said:
The last bit is interesting, because it means that for some reason or cognitive reason, they are not very comfortable with moving S-400 and treat it as more of a permanent fixture where it is deployed, meaning they assume too much that S-400 cannot be targeted. But then once CM-400s were on the way, it means Indians realized they are being successfully targeted and need to save the S-400 because newer ones to replace lost ones are gonna take a lot of time. Which means in future, you can expect same hesitance by Indians to move the S-400s............and if they remain silent or keeping moving then S-400 umbrella doesn't really help them.

I am sure PAF took a lot of realistic combat lessons from the short 4 day war.........and Indians gave up a lot of their tactics and thinking.
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They can move S-400 - but like Russians in Ukraine it all depends upon drills and training for it.

No Human Resources are uniform whether its ranked officers or men - that is something Pakistan suffers from as well.
A culture of excellence needs leaders who actually embody it without bias. And then it percolating into the organization.

If the organization has had a culture for 2-3 decades of “dont rock the boat - get the certificate and stamp” then you are going to see them struggling on procedural issues such as relocation.
 
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