JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[AeronautIR]

He probably means the somalians might not put the JF-17 to best use. Kind of how indians brought shame to french in May 2025 .

Can't say I disagree with him. Somalian air force don't fly any fighter aircraft of any kind....all they have is helicopters!! They aren't a good candidate for JF-17 block 1, let alone block 3!! They should look at trainers or coin aircraft more at this stage as @Reichmarshal says.

I personally believe this is fake news anyway, and this deal isn't happening, and if it does, would hardly be considered 'good' news for JF-17 .

I don't think Rafale orders were affected due to IAF performance. The OEM is not responsible for operational employment of aircraft. Anyway, let's see how it all unfolds.

 

[AeronautIR]

The downing of Indian Rafale fighters proves beyond any doubt that Chinese weapons are battle tested and mature to go head to head with Western weaponry.

The initial Azerbaijan order was before May 2025. Maybe they have a geopolitical reason for buying Turkish weapons too.

 

[Dalit]

The initial Azerbaijan order was before May 2025. Maybe they have a geopolitical reason for buying Turkish weapons too.

Azerbaijan wants to integrate its air force more closely with Turkish military standards. Simply because in the future it will also operate KAAN. Azerbaijan is also in negotiations for HÜRJET advanced trainer if I am not wrong.

 

[PakShaheen_79]

Neither works in unison - because if they do then their effectiveness goes down by multiples.

In the context of being part of same IADS not in context where each system lose its missile authority and coupling with radar which in case of HQ-9 and HQ-16 is not easy to do in the first place as both are SARH guidance for engagements. In order to make them completely merged under one authority with cross-domain flexibility the interceptor missiles will have to be completely Active Radar Homing with midcourse update capabilities and that will be just starting point. HQ-9 and HQ-16 command posts will have to be made able to get EXTERNAL track record data from other sensor, validate them, provide engagement solutions with minimum latency. If latency exceeds engagement envelope tolerances, accuracy degrades. All of this is equal to tearing apart a closed-system (Radar → Fire Control Unit → Missile) and rebuilding it like a distributed-network dependent sensor-agnostic system (extremely challenging). This was not I meant when I said they work in unison. What I meant was everything in IADS contributing in building the bigger picture for air chief during a conflict.

 

[PakShaheen_79]

That's a bad move on part of the PAF, will only bring shame to their name.
Somalia needs coin ac and should have gone for such

PAF means Pakistan Air Force. A professional airforce with first hand experience of modern air combat along with its own weapon systems and platform. No military aviation company can bring to the table a replacement of this experience no matter if it's Lockheed Martin or Lenardo. Platform is only one part of equation in modern air power.

 

[ghazi52]

 

[MastanKhan]

That's a bad move on part of the PAF, will only bring shame to their name.
Somalia needs coin ac and should have gone for such

Hi,

First law of sales is---to sell to someone who is able to pay.

In weapons world---you sell to your larger group of similar minded nations.

Your equipment needs to meet and exceed their expectations with after sales service and training---.

Somalia is an extremely important nation in the horn of africa. We ran out of that country very fast in the 90's---.

If somalia is buying the JF17---there is a reason behind it---an extremely solid reason---.

Somalians are very smart and intelligent people---just because they have seen many a hardships---does not mean they are not a capable equipment users.

 

[ghazi52]

 

[ghazi52]

 

[FarhanSiddiqui]

Somalia is moving ahead with JF-17 order.

Somalia moves to buy 24 Pakistan JF-17 fighter jets in $900m deal months after Israel recognised Somaliland

Somalia, ranked among the world’s weakest militaries, is negotiating with Pakistan to acquire up to 24 JF-17 Thunder Block III fighter jets in what could mark its most significant defence investment in decades, according to Defence Security Asia

africa.businessinsider.com

 

[hasssanali8998]

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hol up i am confused pl15 and not pl15e ??
unless its a typo

 

[hussain0216]

Hi,

First law of sales is---to sell to someone who is able to pay.

In weapons world---you sell to your larger group of similar minded nations.

Your equipment needs to meet and exceed their expectations with after sales service and training---.

Somalia is an extremely important nation in the horn of africa. We ran out of that country very fast in the 90's---.

If somalia is buying the JF17---there is a reason behind it---an extremely solid reason---.

Somalians are very smart and intelligent people---just because they have seen many a hardships---does not mean they are not a capable equipment users.

It's not just that they are buying it, this is a opportunity for Pakistan to send support teams and help countries build infrastructure and a support system with Pakistan providing equipment

It's a opportunity for Pakistan to build up a presence in multiple countries

Pakistan is a 250 million nuclear power and we need to act like it to safeguard ourselves as well as allies and other Muslim countries

We should also be offering support staff and actual pilot's to support allies, whilst their own pilots get the experience and training

 

[Corax]

Somalia buying JF17 is utterly bizarre, it barely functions as a country, hasn't had a credible fast jet airforce in decades I think, doesn't even have infrastructure, would it even have enough money to maintain and operate the aircraft? They may ask mercenary pilots to fly them.

 

[Boss]

Somalia buying JF17 is utterly bizarre, it barely functions as a country, hasn't had a credible fast jet airforce in decades I think, doesn't even have infrastructure, would it even have enough money to maintain and operate the aircraft? They may ask mercenary pilots to fly them.

What Pakistan offers is the whole package for countries lacking an effective Air Force infrastructure. Starting from basic training to transition to fast jets. We saw that in Azerbaijan and and in some African countries.

 

[Afif]

In the context of being part of same IADS not in context where each system lose its missile authority and coupling with radar which in case of HQ-9 and HQ-16 is not easy to do in the first place as both are SARH guidance for engagements. In order to make them completely merged under one authority with cross-domain flexibility the interceptor missiles will have to be completely Active Radar Homing with midcourse update capabilities and that will be just starting point. HQ-9 and HQ-16 command posts will have to be made able to get EXTERNAL track record data from other sensor, validate them, provide engagement solutions with minimum latency. If latency exceeds engagement envelope tolerances, accuracy degrades. All of this is equal to tearing apart a closed-system (Radar → Fire Control Unit → Missile) and rebuilding it like a distributed-network dependent sensor-agnostic system (extremely challenging). This was not I meant when I said they work in unison. What I meant was everything in IADS contributing in building the bigger picture for air chief during a conflict.

HQ9BE interceptor has active seeker from what I read.