JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[PakShaheen_79]

Why focus on SHORADs only?? Shouldn't the focus be instead on Medium range....to be able to track and classify the SSCM/ALCM further out so you have an accurate firing solution and time to engage? SHORADs means its your last line of defense and if it fails to intercept in the relatively short range, then the threat vector will peek through and hit.......... what do you think?

What made you thing that tracking and classifying will be only done via's respective radars of each layer only. Go through the discussion about JADC2 like capabilities. All sensors and all shooters will work in unison. SHORADS will be activated if cyber, EW (Soft Kills) all fails. Remember, there is another big and immovable constant in play here and that's Pakistan's narrow geography. HIMAD and LOMAD's time to activate, calculate a response and perform a successful engagement will not be there always due to high velocity and short distance of incoming missile/cruise missile hence thick layer of SHORADS behind thinner layers of HIMADs/LOMADs makes perfect sense. Additionally, SHORADS, IMHO will address both LACM and LM threats. Enemy will try to take out HIMADs/LOMADS early on. SHORADS will be deployed not only on airbases but at critical radar installations and around batteries of HIMAD/LOMADs.

 

[side-winder]

The list of requirements is long , from Anti-Ballistic missile shield to CIWS. In time, all layers will be improved but SHORADS have a better interception rate than HIMADS in my opinion. Maybe @side-winder and @Oscar can enlighten us more on that.

I always avoid comments on this aspect of which systems intercepted how many indian CMs because i believe this still should not be publicly discussed.

Indians threw close to 40 missiles. Only a dozen hit. Let them make guesses about what happened to rest - which systems neutralised the majority - where are those system available / deployed - how to bypass those systems the next time - etc etc.

But on topic - the focus is not only on Shorads - work on improving the medium layer is also being done in addition to Shorads.

 

[rafale]

I always avoid comments on this aspect of which systems intercepted how many indian CMs because i believe this still should not be publicly discussed.

Indians threw close to 40 missiles. Only a dozen hit. Let them make guesses about what happened to rest - which systems neutralised the majority - where are those system available / deployed - how to bypass those systems the next time - etc etc.

But on topic - the focus is not only on Shorads - work on improving the medium layer is also being done in addition to Shorads.

This is also my understading, medium layer needs further improvement and gaps must be filled. SHORADs due to their shorter range offer the last window to intercept.....and that really shouldn't happen if medium range SAMs are successfully taking out the initial attack vectors.

SHORADs should be there so that Bholari type attack which can take out critical AWACs assets or other similar assets does not happen.

HIMADs should be more focused on high flying combat aircraft or ballistic missiles, but it is the medium range SAMs that offer you the time to track and take out the threat earlier on.

 

[rafale]

What made you thing that tracking and classifying will be only done via's respective radars of each layer only. Go through the discussion about JADC2 like capabilities. All sensors and all shooters will work in unison. SHORADS will be activated if cyber, EW (Soft Kills) all fails. Remember, there is another big and immovable constant in play here and that's Pakistan's narrow geography. HIMAD and LOMAD's time to activate, calculate a response and perform a successful engagement will not be there always due to high velocity and short distance of incoming missile/cruise missile hence thick layer of SHORADS behind thinner layers of HIMADs/LOMADs makes perfect sense. Additionally, SHORADS, IMHO will address both LACM and LM threats. Enemy will try to take out HIMADs/LOMADS early on. SHORADS will be deployed not only on airbases but at critical radar installations and around batteries of HIMAD/LOMADs.

Pakistan's narrow geography is there, but it doesn't mean you stop coming up with solutions to the pertinent threat of CMs...both SSCM and ALCM. what that means is, by placing your radars on higher than normal topography you can track the threat earlier and get a firing solution ready on it....and take it out before it crosses the border.

 

[PakShaheen_79]

Pakistan's narrow geography is there, but it doesn't mean you stop coming up with solutions to the pertinent threat of CMs...both SSCM and ALCM. what that means is, by placing your radars on higher than normal topography you can track the threat earlier and get a firing solution ready on it....and take it out before it crosses the border.

I am sorry but I never implied that we must not come up with solution. Already, PAF has many high altitude radars but problem is this is again something which depends on geography of particular sectors. In norther sectors, such installations are compulsion but in Punjab and Sindh, there are only handful such location and even this arrangement has its own risks from enemy anti-radiation missiles. IMHO, AWACS along with Satellites are best options for early detection of ALCM/SSCM threats.

 

[Oscar]

The list of requirements is long , from Anti-Ballistic missile shield to CIWS. In time, all layers will be improved but SHORADS have a better interception rate than HIMADS in my opinion. Maybe @side-winder and @Oscar can enlighten us more on that.

From a pure - What works for the wider audience.
HIMADS works well against cruise missiles if those are of the higher altitude variety -
Systems that work in groups or go nap of the earth are pretty much difficult solution for HIMADS.

HIMADS works best against ballistics of the non maneuvering type - but struggles against the hypersonic maneuvering kind.

LOMADS generally can be as effective as 90% against cruise systems or UAVs(although a waste) along with Glide weapons like SPICE - more so if you can cue them with over the horizon sensors.

SHORADS do well against both UAVS and also subsonic systems but aren't that useful against supersonic systems unless cued data in time.

Merge all of these with EW and at the end you significantly reduce number of targets that require interceptors.

Neither works in unison - because if they do then their effectiveness goes down by multiples.

 

[Khansaheeb]

Somalia about to by JF17s:

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[Fatman17]

Pakistan showcases China's PL-10E air-to-air missile on JF-17 jet at World Defense Show 2026

At World Defense Show 2026, Pakistan highlights China's PL-10E short-range air-to-air missile on JF-17 with imaging infrared seeker and thrust-vectoring control

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Pakistan showcases PL-10E on JF-17 at WDS 2026

 

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[r3alist]

Somalia about to by JF17s:

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[Reichmarshal]

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That's a bad move on part of the PAF, will only bring shame to their name.
Somalia needs coin ac and should have gone for such

 

[r3alist]

That's a bad move on part of the PAF, will only bring shame to their name.
Somalia needs coin ac and should have gone for such

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[AeronautIR]

That's a bad move on part of the PAF, will only bring shame to their name.
Somalia needs coin ac and should have gone for such

How will it bring shame to PAF?

 

[Dalit]

I think Azerbaijan requested for Turkish weapons integration. Otherwise, JF-17 has the whole package of indigenous and Chinese armament.

The downing of Indian Rafale fighters proves beyond any doubt that Chinese weapons are battle tested and mature to go head to head with Western weaponry.

 

[Dreamer]

How will it bring shame to PAF?

He probably means the somalians might not put the JF-17 to best use. Kind of how indians brought shame to french in May 2025 .

Can't say I disagree with him. Somalian air force don't fly any fighter aircraft of any kind....all they have is helicopters!! They aren't a good candidate for JF-17 block 1, let alone block 3!! They should look at trainers or coin aircraft more at this stage as @Reichmarshal says.

I personally believe this is fake news anyway, and this deal isn't happening, and if it does, would hardly be considered 'good' news for JF-17 .