Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)

[Distant_Observer]

Just take them and also crater this tv studio.

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[Vapnope]

you're saying we'd be able to mount a more effective campaign in this regard?

When US bombed them they ran to their only refuge Pakistan, if pakistan becomes hostile, where are they gonna go? India? Iran? China?

 

[Liquidator]

Just take them and also crater this tv studio.

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Has anyone told them that it's possible to blow stuff up without strapping yourself to it?

How long before they find out?

 

[SteppeWolff]

Just take them and also crater this tv studio.

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A random goatfcker threatening a nuclear armed state on a national TV of a shithole state. These people are lucky Pakistan is being run by the restraint mafia or he'd be hanging rn in Panjshir.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Has anyone told them that it's possible to blow stuff up without strapping yourself to it?

How long before they find out?

dude their def minister legit said , pakistan is proud of their nukes and ballistic missile but we have suicide bombers

 

[hasssanali8998]

hanging rn in Panjshir.

yes he would have

 

[SteppeWolff]

dude their def minister legit said , pakistan is proud of their nukes and ballistic missile but we have suicide bombers

Beyond retarded dawg

 

[F.O.X]

Answer the question kindly instead of deflecting with the usual canards.

you should already know they dont have an answer, they only have political agenda which for them comes before Pakistan.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

This is a tight rope we are playing here. We'd lose alot of our own leverage on matters of our interest where we rely on UN resolutions and statements. UN is an ineffective club, but it still holds some weight, especially for a singleton like us.

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Dont worry about UN. This so called report is by their representative based in Afghanistan under the nose of Taliban.

USA killed million plus afghandus for 1 terrorist attack. Tajiks/hazaras are loving Pakistani strikes. Only pashtunists are against them. Pashtunists are brought up with hatred of punjab and seeing their helpness against might of punjabi nuclear power they cant help themselves but support Taliban terrorists.

This tajik women pretty much expose pashtunists fascists on X space.

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[That_Guy]

So you're saying we'd be able to mount a more effective campaign in this regard?

Yes, because Pakistan's goals aren't the same as imperial powers looking to incorporate Afghanistan into their constellation of puppet nations.

They've been fighting for 30 odd years without fear of economic suppression or anything else. We've had them on blockade since months now (to our detriment mind you). And right now frankly, we don't even have the clout to go ahead and get the world to put sanctions on them or anything similar.

An insurgency is not the same as a conventional war.

The taliban are being forced to fight conventionally, and they've lost every engagement so far.

the "blockade" is superficial. Most of the trade is done through unofficial channels, which the government knows about, but keeps quiet.

this is an open secret.

What makes you think they give a hoot about economic pressure?

They absolutely care. If they didn't, they wouldn't give a shit about trying to make sure their financial institutions don't collapse. They're a government now, not a ragtag militia. They have to care by their very nature.

This was a general observation on the commentary I've seen on the issue, here and on twitter. Replace Afghans with Palestinians and you'd have trouble understanding if it was us or Israelis posting.

Context matters. It always matters.

You first say it is not, and then you agree with my point?

I did not agree at all.

I gave you a nuanced answer to your black and white point.

And...? This is like the same crying we do "Ramzan main hamla kar dia", "Masjid par hamla kar dia".

Haan kar dia, haan they hate us, so do something about it, which is effective.

Except foe the fact that Pakistan is reactionary. It reacts to attacks, and tends to not take initiative for fear of international backlash.

So what's this then?

Not strategic depth.

Strategic depth would be to create a puppet regime in Afghanistan, and use it as a buffer in case of war with India.

what im describing has nothing to do with strategic depth.

Same piece of land with the same people. The western half of Afghanistan is as good as a blackhole for us. Balkanize kar kay bhi you'd be left with the same problem.

The problem would be far more manageable.

The solution to this IMO rests in us increasing our capabilities and having an effective deterrent on the border, nothing else will achieve our goals of lasting peace in the region. This is step 1, stop the inflow. You aren't going to be able to get the Afghans to do anything. You tried with the Haqqanis and the Mullah Bradar, to no fruition. They've got Qataris and Indians to give them what they need. Sure, you can keep striking tactically where you see fit, but that in itself is not the solution.

Sure.

But this contradicts your previous claim that this entire situation is an internal Pakistani problem.

There are no shortcuts to this, you have to pour in resources if you want to get lasting peace. Granted the terrain is tough and undulating, but it's not the surface of the moon we are talking about here. If China could create a wall in that terrain, and if we could create KKH, then we sure as heck can erect this wall too. Not saying this is easy, or a walk in the park, but then it is what's required at this point.

Pakistan has build border fencing along the border, and its only partially effective precisely because its impossible to build an effective border wall along the border.

This is the military and tactical part of the equation.

Sure.

Then comes the social aspect of it, which has been discussed to death and everyone knows what the roadblocks to that are.

Sure.

I have no love for Afghanistan, but these one off strikes, and then luddian dalna and vague posting for the next 3 days from ISPR interns isn't really going to do you any good. It's time we get serious about these matters, magr hamara zyada zor syasat aur real estate par hai.

The only thing I agree with here is that Pakistan needs to actually get serious.

These one off strikes aren't effective, and a sustained campaign must occur with clear, achievable end goals.

 

[SteppeWolff]

Tajiks/hazaras are loving Pakistani strikes.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

 

[Khansaheeb]

Completely agree with this. The only mistake Pakistan keeps making wrt to this conflict is that we keep differentiating between TTP and TTA. This is exactly what the Afghanists want. To treat them as separate distinct problem/entities (TTP Pakistans internal problem) when in reality both are 1 and the same.

Pakistan continues to be duped by the Afghanists into believing that some magical retaliation will come from Afghanistan if we go through with annihilating them. I would assume they could stir up some trouble in KP, and activate some sleeper cells for high profile terrorist attacks (again nothing they haven't already done or are doing), but both will eventually play into Pakistans narrative. Pakistan will also garner international support and show they are serious about solving the terrorist problem in Afghanistan.

We can't even beat the Baluchi liberation. I warned 20 years ago we couldn't and diplomacy and negotiation was the only solution, now the HinduJews are egging Pakistan to a fight with Afghanistan. Modi just went to Netanyahu to get the green light and Pakistan and Afghanistan are falling into the trap.

 

[Abdul q]

I have said this before …. Pakistan will be made unsafe to exist as a nuclear state… this war with Afghanistan will just be used as excuse of bigger security failures and failure to exist as a safe nuclear power… it will take only 1 incident ….. Get ready all my predictions about munira came true during May conflict with india…. Its coming

 

[Aliso5]

I have said this before …. Pakistan will be made unsafe to exist as a nuclear state… this war with Afghanistan will just be used as excuse of bigger security failures and failure to exist as a safe nuclear power… it will take only 1 incident ….. Get ready all my predictions about munira came true during May conflict with india…. Its coming

Khand already said Pakistan doesn't need nukes in a TV interview. May be that's why he favor Taliban. Basically khand and taliban are on same agenda.

 

[EugeneP]

I have said this before …. Pakistan will be made unsafe to exist as a nuclear state… this war with Afghanistan will just be used as excuse of bigger security failures and failure to exist as a safe nuclear power… it will take only 1 incident ….. Get ready all my predictions about munira came true during May conflict with india…. Its coming

Passive voice is doing some heavy lifting there.