Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

hyperman said:
Nothing to do with Sanctions.

No other country is as cucked as it can't use its own money.
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Russia had EUR 300 billion of its money frozen in foreign bank accounts and the Europeans are even looking for ways to steal it permanently and give it to Ukraine

normal sanctions things
 
OldTwilight said:
There is no benefit, something that should happen, should happen ... like death which will eventually happen for all people ... if you flee from it, you will just ruin your limited time and die in disgrace ...
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It is not the case. God has given humanity a very great gift, which is call survival. Persian Muslims faced Genghis Khan, they survived. They faced Alexander the Great, they survived. They faced the Roman Empire, they survived. They will survive again, don't worry.
 
Bahrami said:
God bless the Soul of General Hadjizadeh. He is a main reason, why the US does not dare to attack today.

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his legacy is the beautiful footage of Iranian ballistic missiles raining on Israeli cities at supersonic-hypersonic speeds
 
ShapurII said:
2 million people will lose their lives? Wow... Heroin on the other side of the border must be really strong.
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Fast this war is not going to happen. They already tested Iran's water. If this war happens, it will be most brutal war in human history
 
Look forward to news of Russian Sukhoi's in Iran, hopefully Iran Airforce is enjoying the addition of new Migs from Russia

Considering Iran-Russia have a Strategic Military/Tech pact , and China gets all their oil from Iran

You know Touching Iran will have Huge consequences

Attack on Iran is basically and oil embargo on China

  • US attack on Venezuela was done to deny China access to Venezuelan oil


The incident in Venezuela has changed the "Game"
 
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ShapurII said:
Jundullah has had deadly clashes with Iranian forces in the past.
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They have had deadly clashes with poor Iranian border guards. Many of which didn’t have body armour or even proper guns as Hack-Hook who served down there testified. And they do exactly what they are good at - hit and run attacks like all insurgent groups. Not attacking and holding.

ShapurII said:
They have recruited 2,000 soldiers. Now imagine they also have the backing of the US.
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U.S. had to drop 300K soldiers to take Iraq and that was with most of the Republican guard running away. Iran is almost 9x bigger.

2000 is pissing in the wind.

ShapurII said:
I remember you said you were Turkic, but I guess you're Kurdish-Turkic, probably from a place like Hamedan or nearby areas.
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Yes Kurdish-Turkic and no not Hamedan, but Kermanshah. The city that stood up to Saddam’s invader horde and MEK.

ShapurII said:
Anyway, Kurdistan is not going to rise up, Kurdish separatist groups are. They have been preparing for this situation for decades.
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The separatist movement in Iran is the weakest of the four (Iraq, Syria, Turkey). Even in Syria they just gave up and agreed to join Syrian army.

Iranian Kurdistan will do what it has always done and that is remain out of the conflict. Sure some parts of the population may decide to join some local groups. Mostly kids between 14-21 that don’t know better.

But it still doesn’t invalidate my point. Iran is massive.

ShapurII said:
I remember you guys were quite fond of reminding us about that Pompeo's tweet that said Mossad agents were among the protestors. So, what makes you think that there are no trained agents among the protestors to lead them? You don't need a million trained protestors, just enough leaders to lead them.
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Leaders to lead them to do what? Take an Iranian military base? Mossad is already burning agents at a record pace, it’s not going to risk its handlers.

ShapurII said:
Unarmed does not matter when your anti-riot forces and the police have been bombed by the US.
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You realize Iran has a national guard right? Basij has a military arm as well? They don’t deploy often, they did back in the day post Iran/Iraq war. They will likely be deployed during war for the exact reason your thinking.

If war breaks out it’s not going to riot police in the streets it’s going to be martial law. Anyone in the streets will get rounded up and arrested and if you shoot you get killed on sight. There is not going to be the leniency you see in peace time with regular police officers.

ShapurII said:
My first preferred option is not a revolution, but a soft transition of power like a coup within the system, handing it over to people with ideas that fit our today's society.
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The issue here is you think power lies in the hand of Khamenai. When it rests in the hands of those around him and their loyal factions.

The powerful and rich run countries not the unemployed and youth.

In Syria, it wasn’t any moderate that came to power but the one who was able to step out of the cage match still alive and breathing (Jewlani).

That’s how things work and that’s how they have worked for thousands of years. And that’s how any revolution in Iran will work. It will be the faction or factions that have the most wealth, power, :influence and muscle. It won’t be the MEK, it won’t be some liberal roshan ferk like Khatami, it won’t be a prince who hasn’t stepped inside his country in over 50 years.

It will be someone from within the system or the one that’s emerges from the civil war (if there is one).
ShapurII said:
Sort of like what Bin Salman did in Saudi Arabia, with a 180 degree turn in our foreign policies. If it is impossible, then my second choice is a revolution.
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Bin Salman didn’t do a coup. He just skipped the succession line by using his father’s dementia to make himself de-facto king. He didn’t truly change the government or operating governance of Saudi Arabia anymore than a President coming to power and changing his cabinet and advisors does.

In your example, it would be more like if Rouhani decided to make himself supreme leader. The system doesn’t change, just the person running the system.
 
Persian Gulf said:
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doesn't look promising
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If they are smart they are burning off old gen stock.

And if they are even smarter they have GPS/EW spoofing systems nearby to disrupt terminal entry to simulate a true war environment.

30% of most missiles fail at launch or in flight even in western armies. Add in missing the target and Iran’s success rate was always 20-40% on the target. So 2-4 missiles for every 10 launched.

People just tried to extrapolate Al-Assad (one sample event). But the same night they completely missed at irbil and they also weren’t that great on the multiple ISIS missile attacks they did in Syria.
 
drones and cruise missiles should have greater effectiveness to regional targets

and are inherently more accurate than ballistic missiles
 
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