Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Turkish buffer zone threats are more about limiting Kurds than preventing refugees. And Baloch groups are not a serious threat to the state, only for our border guards.
No, if that were true, they wouldn't have been made public in the first place.

2,000,000 Iranians escaped to Turkey following the Islamic revolution 50 years ago. How many would flee today? How many would attempt to reach Turkey, and how many millions would try to cross from Turkey into EU territory?

Not everything is a conspiracy theory. We're still in the midst of the Syrian refugee crisis. No government would allow millions of Iranians to cross the border. There's no secret agenda.
 
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Not sure I buy this:

“Israeli intelligence has concluded that even with the imminent arrival of the USS Gerald R Ford later this week, the US has military capacity to sustain just a four to five day intense aerial assault on Iran, or a week of lower-intensity strikes."

U.S. spends $1T dollars a YEAR on its military. It has enough munitions and air power to sustain more than a week long strike.

Lots of disinformation floating around for various purposes.
 
how many millions would try to cross from Turkey into EU territory?

Depends on if EU woke politics decide to give refugee status to people. Then it could be 5M+ maybe even 10M+

If there is something Iranians love to do is go claim refugee status in western countries.

During the Syrian and Libyan civil war, I knew Iranians who joined the migrant and refugee waves and successfully fled to Germany/Austria. At one point for many years Australia via smugglers on the sea was popular as well because if you made it to Australian soil you would get put in a camp then eventually be let into society.
 
If such cases exist, they are traitors within the chain of interests benefiting the colonial power and a small group. The people who become part of a colonized country will only suffer more. The consequence of a color revolution will only be the dismemberment of the entire country.

Any regime change that I have seen since World War II engineered by foreign powers was a net negative to the target country, with maybe possible exceptions like Cambodia/Pol Pot era. Even in case of countries like Japan and Germany, they were the 'investments' for Cold War and they remain essentially occupied.

No country is going to put their resources into regime changes without expecting a 'good return' for themselves. So those Iranians who think they will be better off once the current regime is toppled are almost certainly in for some nasty surprises.
 
Trump wants to assure his election win in mid term election

He wants attention away from Epstein files that Tucker Carlson keeps raffling up more feathers

  • Supreme court shut him down once for Tariffs , he is a bit agitated
 
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The psyops begins.
 
They have had deadly clashes with poor Iranian border guards. Many of which didn’t have body armour or even proper guns as Hack-Hook who served down there testified. And they do exactly what they are good at - hit and run attacks like all insurgent groups. Not attacking and holding.



U.S. had to drop 300K soldiers to take Iraq and that was with most of the Republican guard running away. Iran is almost 9x bigger.

2000 is pissing in the wind.



Yes Kurdish-Turkic and no not Hamedan, but Kermanshah. The city that stood up to Saddam’s invader horde and MEK.



The separatist movement in Iran is the weakest of the four (Iraq, Syria, Turkey). Even in Syria they just gave up and agreed to join Syrian army.

Iranian Kurdistan will do what it has always done and that is remain out of the conflict. Sure some parts of the population may decide to join some local groups. Mostly kids between 14-21 that don’t know better.

But it still doesn’t invalidate my point. Iran is massive.



Leaders to lead them to do what? Take an Iranian military base? Mossad is already burning agents at a record pace, it’s not going to risk its handlers.



You realize Iran has a national guard right? Basij has a military arm as well? They don’t deploy often, they did back in the day post Iran/Iraq war. They will likely be deployed during war for the exact reason your thinking.

If war breaks out it’s not going to riot police in the streets it’s going to be martial law. Anyone in the streets will get rounded up and arrested and if you shoot you get killed on sight. There is not going to be the leniency you see in peace time with regular police officers.



The issue here is you think power lies in the hand of Khamenai. When it rests in the hands of those around him and their loyal factions.

The powerful and rich run countries not the unemployed and youth.

In Syria, it wasn’t any moderate that came to power but the one who was able to step out of the cage match still alive and breathing (Jewlani).

That’s how things work and that’s how they have worked for thousands of years. And that’s how any revolution in Iran will work. It will be the faction or factions that have the most wealth, power, :influence and muscle. It won’t be the MEK, it won’t be some liberal roshan ferk like Khatami, it won’t be a prince who hasn’t stepped inside his country in over 50 years.

It will be someone from within the system or the one that’s emerges from the civil war (if there is one).


Bin Salman didn’t do a coup. He just skipped the succession line by using his father’s dementia to make himself de-facto king. He didn’t truly change the government or operating governance of Saudi Arabia anymore than a President coming to power and changing his cabinet and advisors does.

In your example, it would be more like if Rouhani decided to make himself supreme leader. The system doesn’t change, just the person running the system.
Fair points. I agree with most of them.

However, as somebody with friends from both Kermanshah and other Kurdish parts of Iran, I think Kermanshah is very different from the rest, probably because the people of Kermanshah are Shiite. I have friends from cities like Mahabad and Saqqez and they're very different.

I never said the power lied in the hands of Khamenei, but he clearly has played a huge role in the current ideology of the regime. And I never said Bin Salman did a coup. I was referring to his reforms in Saudi Arabia. We need that type of reforms in Iran.

We need somebody that closes the gap between the majority of Iranians under 50 and the current establishment. We need somebody that stops this anti-imperialist insanity and normalizes our ties with the United States, even at the cost of normalizing our relations with Israel behind the scene. Iran needs to join the world markets again.

I don't care if this person is Rohani, Zarif, Reza Pahlavi or Mickey Mouse as long as the situation returns to somewhat normal instead of the current situation that can lead to nowhere but absolute disaster for Iran and its future generations.
 
The fake stories are being spread , to suggest if Iran does not "Retaliate" it will be just a few strikes and that is, however everyone knows it will be a lie

After Iran , I think USA will directly attack Chinese Sovereignty, with Controlling Oil supply to China

Objective of Zionost (Can't say Americans as many don't support Israel)
  • Attack states who are Russia's allies , reduce them economically
    • 300 Billion Russian money sanctioned
    • Gas line to Europe Sabotage
    • Supplying weapons against Russia
    • The gas line attack also increased poverty in Europe as energy cost has surged across many countries
  • Attack oil / gas supply channels to China
    • Attack against Venezuela, oil theft, Deny China Oil
    • Attack planned against Iran , oil theft , Deny China Oil
  • Supply F16 weapon to Tiawan
  • Cuba Oil sanction is a demo to make other nations fear Oil Embargo

WW3 has formally already commenced , small battles are being waged by USA
With focus on weakening global hierarchical structure of peace

We are in that phase of war where , we can't hear the bombs exploding because it is happening in remote areas


From Russia's perspective Iran is Trustable proven Ally
From China's perspective , Iran is Trustable Ally and vital Oil /Gas supplier
 
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these are supposed to be short range missiles

now consider GPS jamming and interceptions ... best if they just target oil fields

anyway this is IRGC-GF not IRGC-ASF


no, they are improving accuracy, as i read it.

no point in testing inaccurate ones!
 
Fair points. I agree with most of them.

However, as somebody with friends from both Kermanshah and other Kurdish parts of Iran, I think Kermanshah is very different from the rest, probably because the people of Kermanshah are Shiite. I have friends from cities like Mahabad and Saqqez and they're very different.

I never said the power lied in the hands of Khamenei, but he clearly has played a huge role in the current ideology of the regime. And I never said Bin Salman did a coup. I was referring to his reforms in Saudi Arabia. We need that type of reforms in Iran.

We need somebody that closes the gap between the majority of Iranians under 50 and the current establishment. We need somebody that stops this anti-imperialist insanity and normalizes our ties with the United States, even at the cost of normalizing our relations with Israel behind the scene. Iran needs to join the world markets again.

I don't care if this person is Rohani, Zarif, Reza Pahlavi or Mickey Mouse as long as the situation returns to somewhat normal instead of the current situation that can lead to nowhere but absolute disaster for Iran and its future generations.
discuss these political issues in another thread please
 
Depends on if EU woke politics decide to give refugee status to people. Then it could be 5M+ maybe even 10M+

If there is something Iranians love to do is go claim refugee status in western countries.

During the Syrian and Libyan civil war, I knew Iranians who joined the migrant and refugee waves and successfully fled to Germany/Austria. At one point for many years Australia via smugglers on the sea was popular as well because if you made it to Australian soil you would get put in a camp then eventually be let into society.
Well.....its a bit off topic but I know Pakistanis who created Afghan passports and immigrated to the West based on refugee visas and political asylum for Afghans :D Everybody plays this game.
 
Any regime change that I have seen since World War II engineered by foreign powers was a net negative to the target country, with maybe possible exceptions like Cambodia/Pol Pot era. Even in case of countries like Japan and Germany, they were the 'investments' for Cold War and they remain essentially occupied.

No country is going to put their resources into regime changes without expecting a 'good return' for themselves. So those Iranians who think they will be better off once the current regime is toppled are almost certainly in for some nasty surprises.

Sound analysis.

The 2003 De-Baathification of post war-Iraq was widely criticized as the worst possible move the Bush administration did. Instead of removing an entire system and building from scratch, just reform it with the key players from said system.

Same goes in Iran, De-Islamifying Iran’s government and trying to rebuild the state apparatuses is too time consuming with high rates of failure. Just reform the system and pick people from within to lead.

Nation building in post Iraq/Afghanistan era is effectively dead. It’s too costly and time consuming and the U.S. cannot afford to pour $4T dollars to rebuild Iran’s government from scratch.
 

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