Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[Pakistan First]

dont waste your time with this Watandar guy .... He doesnt have the capacity to listen to facts, i have tried that multiple times.

Exactly completely hopeless character this guy.

So much bias. @Watandar & @Lulldapull and few others would drool over Iran loving even at the cost of their own country. They have made their mind. No amount of logic or facts would change that. I don't want Pakistanis to be in Pro-Irani camp or Pro-Saudi camp. We all should be in Pro-Pakistan camp. It is impossible that Iran or any group or any political party which they support is ALWAYS and all the time correct. They have no stamina and no grace to acknowledge when the camp which they worship can be wrong too at times.

There is no objectivity and no credibility for such people who have ZERO record of giving any sort of statement against their camp till date. Even once you pass a statement against any action of your worshiped group will show that you are not blinded. Integrity demands that one should see things with facts only and should have courage to give statements against their camp when their camp is wrong at times. When you are hell bent on defending a certain group or a camp then there's absolutely no point in discussing anything as no amount of logic and no amount of facts would make an effect on that thick skull.

I am with Iran all along this war and still want it all the best. But when Iran hit commercial ships during a freshly created ceasefire under MoU drafted & signed after tireless efforts then I had the courage to call out Iran. Who benefitted from torpedoing the MoU the most? Certainly not Iran. Israel benefited the most. Iranian ports again blockaded. Thick skulls of IRGC should have understood that hitting commercial ships in ceasefire is not going to help them. Now Israel is watching with popcorns and Iran has no guts to attack it. The same Israel which created this war at first place. Secondly these unconditional Pro-Iranians were saying so much things against UAE but when Iran hit commercial ships and destroyed the MoU they helped UAE the most. As now Iran cannot sell its oil, other GCC countries facing problems but UAE is doing record sales via Fujairah. Two countries these pro-iranians used to blame all the time Israel and uae. But with their hypocrisy now they won't say a word on it because their master Iran isn't or unable to do anything against them. Iran shoot only itself in the foot by restarting this war. Its like celebrations in Israel that Iran is getting bombed because of the war Israel planned and created but Iran don't have any guts to attack it now. Iran is left with no choice but to re-attack same bases again and again lol. Iran is out of options.

Lastly, the whole point of hitting commercial ships and restarting war by Iran is completely unacceptable for any country of the world including us Pakistan. How dare a single country want to assert its control over international water way ? Our ships also pass by through it, why they should follow a certain route and seek permission from a certain so-called authority to pass? This is absurdity. Its even bigger blunder by Iran for itself because the whole point of closing or controling Strait of hormuz is to be used by Iran as a leverage only. Iran could have done that anytime in future if threatened by war again. But if Iran wants to keep the control all the time then it will just lose the only leverage it ever had. Countries will focus on pipelines and alternates and its enemies will keep bombing it as they'd know Iran don't have any further leverage and its already using all it can.

In the end, we all know Iran was never a technological or military power. It was lucky only because of geography that heavily favored it because of SOH. But in first phase of war Iran got over confident and thought they militarily defeated US (who lost 16 members till date) and no US city, no US leadership even touched.

Edit: LOL @Watandar amateur and lil girly behavior by just making laughing or dislike reactions. I challenge you brainwashed and bias guys to show me a single post of yours where you had the courage to speak against your worshipped camp. That is what integrity demands. If you are so blinded to defend a certain camp unconditionally then you are a LOST CAUSE. That unconditional support should be only for your own country and none other.

 

[Watandar]

Exactly completely hopeless character this guy.

So much bias. @Watandar & @Lulldapull and few others would drool over Iran loving even at the cost of their own country. They have made their mind. No amount of logic or facts would change that. I don't want Pakistanis to be in Pro-Irani camp or Pro-Saudi camp. We all should be in Pro-Pakistan camp. It is impossible that Iran or any group or any political party which they support is ALWAYS and all the time correct. They have no stamina and no grace to acknowledge when the camp which they worship can be wrong too at times.

There is no objectivity and no credibility for such people who have ZERO record of giving any sort of statement against their camp till date. Even once you pass a statement against any action of your worshiped group will show that you are not blinded. Integrity demands that one should see things with facts only and should have courage to give statements against their camp when their camp is wrong at times. When you are hell bent on defending a certain group or a camp then there's absolutely no point in discussing anything as no amount of logic and no amount of facts would make an effect on that thick skull.

I am with Iran all along this war and still want it all the best. But when Iran hit commercial ships during a freshly created ceasefire under MoU drafted & signed after tireless efforts then I had the courage to call out Iran. Who benefitted from torpedoing the MoU the most? Certainly not Iran. Israel benefited the most. Iranian ports again blockaded. Thick skulls of IRGC should have understood that hitting commercial ships in ceasefire is not going to help them. Now Israel is watching with popcorns and Iran has no guts to attack it. The same Israel which created this war at first place. Secondly these unconditional Pro-Iranians were saying so much things against UAE but when Iran hit commercial ships and destroyed the MoU they helped UAE the most. As now Iran cannot sell its oil, other GCC countries facing problems but UAE is doing record sales via Fujairah. Two countries these pro-iranians used to blame all the time Israel and uae. But with their hypocrisy now they won't say a word on it because their master Iran isn't or unable to do anything against them. Iran shoot only itself in the foot by restarting this war. Its like celebrations in Israel that Iran is getting bombed because of the war Israel planned and created but Iran don't have any guts to attack it now. Iran is left with no choice but to re-attack same bases again and again lol. Iran is out of options.

Lastly, the whole point of hitting commercial ships and restarting war by Iran is completely unacceptable for any country of the world including us Pakistan. How dare a single country want to assert its control over international water way ? Our ships also pass by through it, why they should follow a certain route and seek permission from a certain so-called authority to pass? This is absurdity. Its even bigger blunder by Iran for itself because the whole point of closing or controling Strait of hormuz is to be used by Iran as a leverage only. Iran could have done that anytime in future if threatened by war again. But if Iran wants to keep the control all the time then it will just lose the only leverage it ever had. Countries will focus on pipelines and alternates and its enemies will keep bombing it as they'd know Iran don't have any further leverage and its already using all it can.

In the end, we all know Iran was never a technological or military power. It was lucky only because of geography that heavily favored it because of SOH. But in first phase of war Iran got over confident and thought they militarily defeated US (who lost 16 members till date) and no US city, no US leadership even touched.

The mod has requested several times on this thread not to launch personal attacks on other members. Kindly respect the rules and stay on topic.

Oh and nobody reads such long rants either.

 

[Pakistan First]

The mod has requested several times on this thread not to launch personal attacks on other members. Kindly respect the rules and stay on topic.

Oh and nobody reads such long rants either.

No personal attack was made. and yes you read it full because it was intended to school you. : )

How else you would improve then ? Just don't give blinded unconditional support to any group. This takes away any credibility whatsoever. No now matter how many posts you write and no matter how many dislikes / or make faces would have zero effect as everyone would know you are bias.

 

[Watandar]

No personal attack was made. and yes you read it full because it was intended to school you. : )

How else you would improve then ? Just don't give blinded unconditional support to any group. This takes away any credibility whatsoever. No now matter how many posts you write and no matter how many dislikes / or make faces would have zero effect as everyone would know you are bias.

Your obsession with me is somewhat flattering however I doubt people are interested in the difficulties you are experiencing in handling rejection. Please return to the thread topic.

 

[Pakistan First]

Your obsession with me is somewhat flattering however I doubt people are interested in the difficulties you are experiencing in handling rejection. Please return to the thread topic.

Your post is self evident and contradictory. You are derailing the topic in personal battle, write personal remarks and then show complete hypocrisy by writing a line in the end "Please return to the topic". That's open and clear hypocrisy.

I did honest effort for you to step up and improve and not be fixated or rigid mindset. Show unconditional support for your own country only. Don't get divided into camps. You took whole thing negatively. Anyways, I am done with it. Hope both of us will learn a thing or two from this.

 

[Watandar]

Your post is self evident and contradictory. You are derailing the topic in personal battle, write personal remarks and then show complete hypocrisy by writing a line in the end "Please return to the topic". That's open and clear hypocrisy.

I did honest effort for you to step up and improve and not be fixated or rigid mindset. Show unconditional support for your own country only. Don't get divided into camps. You took whole thing negatively. Anyways, I am done with it. Hope both of us will learn a thing or two from this.

Please stop this attention seeking behavior and return to thread topic.

Hope this helps.

 

[Lulldapull]

Exactly completely hopeless character this guy.

So much bias. @Watandar & @Lulldapull and few others would drool over Iran loving even at the cost of their own country. They have made their mind. No amount of logic or facts would change that. I don't want Pakistanis to be in Pro-Irani camp or Pro-Saudi camp. We all should be in Pro-Pakistan camp. It is impossible that Iran or any group or any political party which they support is ALWAYS and all the time correct. They have no stamina and no grace to acknowledge when the camp which they worship can be wrong too at times.

There is no objectivity and no credibility for such people who have ZERO record of giving any sort of statement against their camp till date. Even once you pass a statement against any action of your worshiped group will show that you are not blinded. Integrity demands that one should see things with facts only and should have courage to give statements against their camp when their camp is wrong at times. When you are hell bent on defending a certain group or a camp then there's absolutely no point in discussing anything as no amount of logic and no amount of facts would make an effect on that thick skull.

I am with Iran all along this war and still want it all the best. But when Iran hit commercial ships during a freshly created ceasefire under MoU drafted & signed after tireless efforts then I had the courage to call out Iran. Who benefitted from torpedoing the MoU the most? Certainly not Iran. Israel benefited the most. Iranian ports again blockaded. Thick skulls of IRGC should have understood that hitting commercial ships in ceasefire is not going to help them. Now Israel is watching with popcorns and Iran has no guts to attack it. The same Israel which created this war at first place. Secondly these unconditional Pro-Iranians were saying so much things against UAE but when Iran hit commercial ships and destroyed the MoU they helped UAE the most. As now Iran cannot sell its oil, other GCC countries facing problems but UAE is doing record sales via Fujairah. Two countries these pro-iranians used to blame all the time Israel and uae. But with their hypocrisy now they won't say a word on it because their master Iran isn't or unable to do anything against them. Iran shoot only itself in the foot by restarting this war. Its like celebrations in Israel that Iran is getting bombed because of the war Israel planned and created but Iran don't have any guts to attack it now. Iran is left with no choice but to re-attack same bases again and again lol. Iran is out of options.

Lastly, the whole point of hitting commercial ships and restarting war by Iran is completely unacceptable for any country of the world including us Pakistan. How dare a single country want to assert its control over international water way ? Our ships also pass by through it, why they should follow a certain route and seek permission from a certain so-called authority to pass? This is absurdity. Its even bigger blunder by Iran for itself because the whole point of closing or controling Strait of hormuz is to be used by Iran as a leverage only. Iran could have done that anytime in future if threatened by war again. But if Iran wants to keep the control all the time then it will just lose the only leverage it ever had. Countries will focus on pipelines and alternates and its enemies will keep bombing it as they'd know Iran don't have any further leverage and its already using all it can.

In the end, we all know Iran was never a technological or military power. It was lucky only because of geography that heavily favored it because of SOH. But in first phase of war Iran got over confident and thought they militarily defeated US (who lost 16 members till date) and no US city, no US leadership even touched.

Edit: LOL @Watandar amateur and lil girly behavior by just making laughing or dislike reactions. I challenge you brainwashed and bias guys to show me a single post of yours where you had the courage to speak against your worshipped camp. That is what integrity demands. If you are so blinded to defend a certain camp unconditionally then you are a LOST CAUSE. That unconditional support should be only for your own country and none other.

Oh paee we are just as pendu as you no?

Problem now is Abbu-G humreeka can't fight dem Iranis no?

I mean you can see it no?

Sharmeela honay say to kuchh ne hona ab right.

It is what it is.....Abbu G humreeka can't win this bro.