Israel’s Genocide in Gaza | 2023- till present

[Musings]

I thought there was something very very wrong with this idea of building a temporary port.

No logic as there are already established routes from the entity and Egypt into Gaza and so why wait another 6 weeks needlessly?

The true giveaway line was that the US would not even distribute the aid but just leave it on the beaches. Without the organisation skills of UNRWA then the aid is not going to get distributed efficiently.

The port will be a method to ethnic cleanse the strip. Will be used as a pretence to provide aid - which think about it shouldn’t be hard to provide if the US put their foot down with the IDF via already existing channels. In reality they will offer starving homeless penniless Palestinians an option to either get out of the hell hole the IDF have created or die in the strip. Vile policy and most strategic think tanks can see it coming from a mile off.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Schumer's speech was definitely a 'watershed moment'. As I said before some pages ago, there may not be immediate change American posture because the Israelis have both parties in their pocket. But there is already a narrative being built which blames Netanyahu, which will slowly transform to blaming the state of Israel itself. This article touches upon those themes. America is not as monolithic as people might think and the electoral pressures are already pulling the central Democratic leadership into slight rethink about Israel.

It is only a matter of time when the pro Palestinian forces gel into a unified force against Israel in America and that's when the real change in American policy will begin. Never forget: A politician's first job is to get into power. Their second job is to stay in power. Why would the Democrats want to lose millions of votes so that they lose power to Republicans forever.

Also note, Schumer wouldn't have made this speech if Israel was winning or Israel's prospects are bright by following its current policies.

A Watershed Moment for the Politics of Israel, Courtesy of Chuck Schumer

Republicans have long sought to make Israel a partisan issue, framing their party as the only one truly supportive of the Jewish state. The Senate majority leader’s blistering speech may have helped.

www.nytimes.com

A Watershed Moment for the Politics of Israel, Courtesy of Chuck Schumer​

Republicans have long sought to make Israel a partisan issue, framing their party as the only one truly supportive of the Jewish state. The Senate majority leader’s blistering speech may have helped.

Over 44 painstakingly scripted minutes on the floor of the Senate on Thursday, the majority leader, Chuck Schumer, spoke of his Jewish identity, his love for the State of Israel, his horror at the wanton slaughter of Israelis on Oct. 7 and his views on the apportionment of blame for the carnage in Gaza, saying that it first and foremost lay with the terrorists of Hamas.

Then Mr. Schumer, a New York Democrat and the highest-ranking elected Jew in American history, said Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was an impediment to peace, and called for new elections in the world’s only Jewish state.

But Mr. Schumer’s speech was potentially a watershed moment in a much longer political process, pursued initially by Republicans but joined recently by left-wing Democrats — to turn Israel into a partisan issue. Republicans, as they see it, would be the party of Israeli supporters. Democrats, as the rising left would have it, would be the party of Palestine.

At the root of that divide is a fundamental question: Is support for the Jewish State separable from the support of Israel’s democratically elected government? For years, Republicans have said no. Increasingly, the Democratic left agrees but from a different perspective: Israel is bad, regardless of who governs it.

“It’s impossible to understate the seismic event this was,” said Matthew Brooks, the longtime chief executive of the Republican Jewish Coalition, who made it clear that the group would use the speech to drive Jewish voters to the G.O.P.

The three pronged approach that nixes and appropriates every aspect of policy making on the spectrum, democrats or the political left and bastion of Jewish zionism, republicans or the political right and bastion of evangelical zionism and the neocons that transcend the two... in a governance model such as US where authority is compartmentalized in tiers with each tied to their domain, reaching the machine, reorienting or repurposing it is an arduous and lengthy process... with Biden or Trump as the upcoming options, what really changes? The bedrock policy making and instruments remain the same... the institutional framework appropriates the newly initiated in a stride... well, welcome! And here's where we are and your options...
The hands are tied and Schumer knows his base and is thoroughly Eretz Yisrael!
What has happened will not integrate zion into the region for generations, should it last that long, and I don't think it will nor do the zionists. So, they aim to create a niche, a foot in the door policy... while hastening the genocide.

All strings though are tied to how long the US and US based zionists, both Jewish(including Semitic atheists) and Evangelical can fund their project. That window is closing too...

We all know something has got to give... question is, what?

 

[VCheng]

The port will be a method to ethnic cleanse the strip. Will be used as a pretence to provide aid - which think about it shouldn’t be hard to provide if the US put their foot down with the IDF via already existing channels. In reality they will offer starving homeless penniless Palestinians an option to either get out of the hell hole the IDF have created or die in the strip. Vile policy and most strategic think tanks can see it coming from a mile off.

The key role here, or the perplexing lack thereof, is that of Egypt. Aid, supplies, food, transit, whatever is needed, is right there.

 

[Musings]

The key role here, or the perplexing lack thereof, is that of Egypt. Aid, supplies, food, transit, whatever is needed, is right there.

The aid is literally 20 minutes away. Can dress it up whichever way - this is really starvation of an innocent people especially children

 

[VCheng]

The aid is literally 20 minutes away. Can dress it up whichever way - this is really starvation of an innocent people especially children

And Tahrir Square is empty.

 

[Developereo]

there is already a narrative being built which blames Netanyahu, which will slowly transform to blaming the state of Israel itself.

Sadly, I don't share your optimism: the Zionist movement is dominated by hardcore fanatics whose commitment to Israel is absolute and unconditional.

Every right wing Israeli politician knows this and they know that hardly any Western politician will dare to oppose them regardless of what they say in public.

 

[dabbu]

Terror act initiated this episode.
From some perspectives this has lost support for Palestinians and hurt it's cause

 

[Meengla]

All strings though are tied to how long the US and US based zionists, both Jewish(including Semitic atheists) and Evangelical can fund their project. That window is closing too...
We all know something has got to give... question is, what?

Overall it was a good post. As to the quoted part, I think 'funding' is part of it. I think the electoral challenges the Democrats are facing--and not just from the Muslim/Arab voters--are already creating dilemmas for Biden. Michigan currently is a toast. Wisconsin had 40,000 'Non Committed'. TX is also risk although foreseeable future it is a Red State. What really really needs to happen is the Muslim/Arab voters form electoral alliances with trade unions, with visible minorities who have not much love for Israel, with the youth/progressive. I believe once the AIPAC $$ is countered--and it can be by using electoral power--then it is game over for the total Israeli control over America.

Sadly, I don't share your optimism: the Zionist movement is dominated by hardcore fanatics whose commitment to Israel is absolute and unconditional.
Every right wing Israeli politician knows this and they know that no Western politician will dare to oppose them regardless of what they say in public.

I think changes in American politics will eventually undo the unholy alliances in America. And it is already happening. Please read the NY Times article about Schumer's speech I posted above. For all its warts, America is still a democracy where electoral politics plays a huge role.

 

[Developereo]

Terror act initiated this episode.
From some perspectives this has lost support for Palestinians and hurt it's cause

LOL, account created yesterday.

And which of the myriad banned Indian trolls might you be?

 

[Developereo]

America is still a democracy where electoral politics plays a huge role.

Israel is not a make-or-break issue for most American voters but the hardcore Zionists -- who control the donor dollars -- will make sure that no POTUS candidate who doesn't guarantee absolute support for Israel gets more than a visitor pass to the White House.

P.S. The Zionist lobby hasn't even used a smidgen of its true power yet in this conflict.

By my time zone Its created today.

Why can't you figure what troll I might be, senile already?

Oh dear Lord, I already have a suspect.

 

[Meengla]

The port will be a method to ethnic cleanse the strip. Will be used as a pretence to provide aid - which think about it shouldn’t be hard to provide if the US put their foot down with the IDF via already existing channels. In reality they will offer starving homeless penniless Palestinians an option to either get out of the hell hole the IDF have created or die in the strip. Vile policy and most strategic think tanks can see it coming from a mile off.

What you are saying sounds possible but a little far fetched.
Firstly, no American govt can pressure Israel too much, too openly without paying huge backlash from the unholy alliances which exists in America. So applying direct pressure to deliver aid via Israel will be a hard sell. But supplying via a Gaza port is legal, like the Turkish Flotilla tried about a decade ago. The Gaza port provides an internationally recognized route: Gaza is sovereign territory, Israel's blockage notwithstanding. Officially Americans even call the West Bank as 'occupied'. Those are legal positions held by the US govt and could be used as 'cover' in UNSC Resolutions.
Secondly, I don't see how, after feeding 1.5 to 2.2 million via the Gaza port, there would be a mass exodus of Gazans? Will there be large cruise ships taking the Gazans to prosperous countries? Who would accept them? Poor countries like Ghana might do if offered $$ but will the Palestinians leave in large numbers?
Thirdly, if there is a large concentration of Palestinians around the port for food, with American soldiers--up to 1000 of them nearby--I don't see Israel carpet bombing on the tents there. With American troops there, there will be even more spotlight on the conflict--something Israel is trying to avoid and any American casualties will cause more pressure on the US Govt to act in decisive way.

Having said all that, it is hard to say what's happening with the port. But I tend to think it is a welcome step and I wish it happens FAST! Palestinians need to eat to survive and fight another day.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Overall it was a good post. As to the quoted part, I think 'funding' is part of it. I think the electoral challenges the Democrats are facing--and not just from the Muslim/Arab voters--are already creating dilemmas for Biden. Michigan currently is a toast. Wisconsin had 40,000 'Non Committed'. TX is also risk although foreseeable future it is a Red State. What really really needs to happen is the Muslim/Arab voters form electoral alliances with trade unions, with visible minorities who have not much love for Israel, with the youth/progressive. I believe once the AIPAC $$ is countered--and it can be by using electoral power--then it is game over for the total Israeli control over America.



I think changes in American politics will eventually undo the unholy alliances in America. And it is already happening. Please read the NY Times article about Schumer's speech I posted above. For all its warts, America is still a democracy where electoral politics plays a huge role.

And this is THE fundamental flaw in understanding US politics.
It is not a democracy!
It is an interpretation of finding consensus among unequals... and those unequals are NOT by faith, creed or culture but wealth and/or opulence!
The federalist papers mention that from the very onset
"They ought to be so constituted as to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority." James Madison

It is this fundamental distinction that allows pay for play, the citizens united and AIPAC!
what you're talking about is to change the fundamental character of the state and that isn't going to happen. As it dislodges the established aristocracy from its perch. These protections are in fact built in to the system... so yes while labor unions can demand rights they cannot undo the classes and perches as established.

AIPAC can however be undone by popular opinion but nothing stops them from emerging in a different avatar and become even further entrenched while masking their appearance.
As bad as it seems it is the boogeyman you can see!

 

[dabbu]

Israel is not a make-or-break issue for most American voters but the hardcore Zionists -- who control the donor dollars -- will make sure that no POTUS candidate who doesn't guarantee absolute support for Israel gets more than a visitor pass to the White House.

P.S. The Zionist lobby hasn't even used a smidgen of its true power yet in this conflict.



Oh dear Lord, I already have a suspect.

I am guessing you don't like losing...

Cheers!

 

[Meengla]

Israel is not a make-or-break issue for most American voters but the hardcore Zionists -- who control the donor dollars -- will make sure that no POTUS candidate who doesn't guarantee absolute support for Israel gets more than a visitor pass to the White House.

It is going to be the AIPAC $ vs the pro Palestinian electoral alliances. I think AIPAC has pledged $100 million just to unseat the four in the US Congress' Progressive Squad in the November 2024 elections. The Squad can beat AIPAC if they organize well!

And this is THE fundamental flaw in understanding US politics.
It is not a democracy!
It is an interpretation of finding consensus among unequals... and those unequals are NOT by faith, creed or culture but wealth and/or opulence!

Then what country is a 'democracy'? I bet if you ask most people of the world, with the exception of just a few countries in the Scandinavia and a few here and there, most people curse their govts and call all political parties corrupt and what not but they too, like the Americans, continue to vote because of lack of options, which, reading your post, are intentionally denied to them by the entrenched groups.

IfIt is this fundamental distinction that allows pay for play, the citizens united and AIPAC!
what you're talking about is to change the fundamental character of the state and that isn't going to happen.

And it was also in the 'fundamental' nature of the American politics and society to have the Segregation. It changed, didn't it? The Israeli total control over the American policy is only since after the 1967 War--something which Mearsheimer/Walt brought to the world's attention, but Segregation was entrenched and existed for far longer than that.

So, to repeat: Electoral politics can change American foreign policy. In that regard, the Palestinians have powerful allies in America and I believe they are already starting to make a difference. I don't think the Schumer speech--very damaging to him and the Democrats--was made without factoring in the electoral changes in America. And the game has just begun!

 

[Randaam Janmam]

Once again, I merely replied to a post saying to caption the photo of Modi and Netanyahu at a river. I did just that. Modi and Netanyahu are relevant to the discussion.

Is the water not polluted? Did I lie? If you stop talking about it then it will be the end of that discussion. You are still whining about a comment I made about two fascists and a polluted river.

That post of mine was not directed at you. I was merely asking the admin, who warned me about off topic posts, whether posts like those were on topic. Or the post about an Indian policeman removing people blocking a public road.

"Fascists" is quite a flexible term these days. It has now come to mean "anyone I don't like". Narendra Modi was elected by the will of the people, and is an extremely popular PM in India.