Aftermath of the Iran-US war and its effects on proximities

[hasssanali8998]

Islamabad on high alert. Containers have been placed around the Red Zone, (possibly due to Shia community protests against the U.S. embassy over khamenei's death)

 

[EugeneP]

Hi,

Iran is paying for the LACK OF PREPARATION---and Mullahs donot know how to prepare for war.

They can only preach ZEALOTRY & zealotry does not make nation and neither it wins war---.

Our Prophet Mohammad PBUH showed us the strategy and gameplan very well---.

Disappear when under extreme duress---. make alliance with like minded people---prepare for the conflict---and prepare silently so that the enemy does not get a hint of what technical provess that you have---your tactics and strategy is a secret---you are the only one who knows the gameplan---you prepare well ahead of time---.

Mr. Khameino showed no understanding of any of these attributes---& neither did his generals---.

Everyone of them was a kowtow hand kissing yes my master kind of officer ready to die at the order of The Imam but having no clue how to create technology to take a 100 enemy for every one of them---.

The technologies are created by keeping your head down---your voices low---living a normal life in the front---being friends to everyone and keeping the image of your enemies in your heart till the final moment when you have crossed that PINNACLE OF TECHNOLOGY---.

Suicidal tendencies don't win wars for the nations---they are only good for assasinations of the opponents or against those whom you don't like and don't like their talk and that only in the poor countries.

The LITMUS TEST:---

The Iranians and religious fanatics with all the bruhaha could not neuter Salman Rushdie---what is now---close to 40 around years---.

The miserable failure of the iranians made all the western world the enemy of the muslim nations for no real reason at all---.

Those threats made the guard of the western nations go up---and they prepared and then they prepared some more---and that guard never came down---.

That single act showed that the fundamentalist regime of Iran was a FAILURE & will stay a FAILURE---.

Your criticism sounds very harsh, while being generally accurate. You left out an important aspect: Iran's proclivity to invent enemies and go to war based on trivial reasons. They spent a decade and lost a million souls, many young children, in the Iran-Iraq war over hardly any reason at all. The official reason stated was some dispute over toll charges on using a shared river. But that is like saying I killed someone because of difference of opinion on proper pizza toppings.

 

[safriz]

Islamabad on high alert. Containers have been placed around the Red Zone, (possibly due to Shia community protests against the U.S. embassy over khamenei's death)

Whoever joins these protests , also protest against Iranian inability for protecting their top leadership.

 

[hasssanali8998]

hey spent a decade and lost a million souls, many young children, in the Iran-Iraq war over hardly any reason at all.

you do know iraq started that war right , supported by basically the entire western world

 

[EugeneP]

you do know iraq started that war right , supported by basically the entire western world

Yes, you are right. It was started by Saddam Hussein. But dispute over river toll sounds like an absurd reason to go to war. For sake of correctness, these are the reasons being cited today:

• Fear of Revolutionary Influence: Following the 1979 Iranian Revolution, Iraq’s Ba'athist regime feared that Ayatollah Khomeini would export his revolutionary ideology and spark an uprising among Iraq’s majority Shi'a population.
• Territorial Disputes (Shatt al-Arab): Long-standing disagreements over the sovereignty of the Shatt al-Arab waterway—the waterway dividing the two nations—were a major driver. Iraq wanted to revoke the 1975 Algiers Agreement, in which it had previously conceded control of the waterway to Iran.
• Regional Hegemony: Saddam Hussein sought to exploit the chaos of the Iranian Revolution to invade, weaken Iran’s military, and establish Iraq as the dominant power in the Persian Gulf.
• Ambitions for Territory: Iraq aimed to seize the oil-rich Iranian province of Khuzestan, which had a significant Arab population.
• Ideological Differences: The conflict was sharpened by the clash between secular, Arab nationalist Ba'athist ideology in Iraq and the pan-Islamist, theocratic ideology of Iran's new government.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Yes, you are right. It was started by Saddam Hussein. But dispute over river toll sounds like an absurd reason to go to war. For sake of correctness, these are the reasons being cited today:

• Fear of Revolutionary Influence: Following the 1979 Iranian Revolution, Iraq’s Ba'athist regime feared that Ayatollah Khomeini would export his revolutionary ideology and spark an uprising among Iraq’s majority Shi'a population.
• Territorial Disputes (Shatt al-Arab): Long-standing disagreements over the sovereignty of the Shatt al-Arab waterway—the waterway dividing the two nations—were a major driver. Iraq wanted to revoke the 1975 Algiers Agreement, in which it had previously conceded control of the waterway to Iran.
• Regional Hegemony: Saddam Hussein sought to exploit the chaos of the Iranian Revolution to invade, weaken Iran’s military, and establish Iraq as the dominant power in the Persian Gulf.
• Ambitions for Territory: Iraq aimed to seize the oil-rich Iranian province of Khuzestan, which had a significant Arab population.
• Ideological Differences: The conflict was sharpened by the clash between secular, Arab nationalist Ba'athist ideology in Iraq and the pan-Islamist, theocratic ideology of Iran's new government.

that is a long and convoluted way to say iraq started it .

 

[Watandar]

Your criticism sounds very harsh, while being generally accurate. You left out an important aspect: Iran's proclivity to invent enemies and go to war based on trivial reasons. They spent a decade and lost a million souls, many young children, in the Iran-Iraq war over hardly any reason at all. The official reason stated was some dispute over toll charges on using a shared river. But that is like saying I killed someone because of difference of opinion on proper pizza toppings.

That war was started by Iraq. Saddam made a mountain out of a molehill over a border issue just so he could attack Iran. Saddam was funded, supplied by US/Israel and GCC in that war. By 1983 Saddam wanted a ceasefire but Khoemini wanted him permanently overthrown, so the war lasted till 1988 when Khomeini gave up and agreed to a ceasefire. The borders of Iraq and Iran remained the same.

That horrible war remained influential in the threat calculus of the Iranian Islamic Republic afterwards and explains why they adopted certain policies in the 90s.

 

[Serendipity]

One of the important questions is if Iran is dismantled, doesnt the justification of any western bases in the broader middle east end? Most bases hosted started with Iraq and were sustained against Iran. If that is the case, the purpose of rhe war isnt to eliminate or balkanize Iran. It is to reduce it to the level of a containable, but still credible threat to the broader region. I believe this is why they are pushing for an Irani uprising in Iran rather than going full force.

The bases serve no function against Israel ( to the contrary they are potential double agent assets for them). So if Iran is gone, the bases lose their raising d'etre

 

[safriz]

One of the important questions is if Iran is dismantled, doesnt the justification of any western bases in the broader middle east end? Most bases hosted started with Iraq and were sustained against Iran. If that is the case, the purpose of rhe war isnt to eliminate or balkanize Iran. It is to reduce it to the level of a containable, but still credible threat to the broader region. I believe this is why they are pushing for an Irani uprising in Iran rather than going full force.

The bases serve no function against Israel ( to the contrary they are potential double agent assets for them). So if Iran is gone, the bases lose their raising d'etre

All the other countries you mentioned were dismantled by their own people, after USA created a power vacuum .

Same tried and tested formula is being applied in Iran. Once there are top positions up for grabs, the powerful of that country fight for it and people choose their sides. This creates the long bloody civil wars , which Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan , Libya saw.

The same Formula when applied on Turkiye, who made it to fail? The Turkish people, when they stood behind their Government and elected leader Erdogan.

Lets see if that happens in Iran by Iranian people, or they slit each others throats while fighting for their different leaders.

 

[Serendipity]

All the other countries you mentioned were dismantled by their own people, after USA created a power vacuum .

Same tried and tested formula is being applied in Iran. Once there are top positions up for grabs, the powerful of that country fight for it and people choose their sides. This creates the long bloody civil wars , which Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan , Libya saw.

The same Formula when applied on Turkiye, who made it to fail? The Turkish people, when they stood behind their Government and elected leader Erdogan.

Lets see if that happens in Iran by Iranian people, or they slit each others throats while fighting for their different leaders.

Turkey is proof of what happens when the people actually support their leadership. Its a prettt durable formula but they also have a long shared history on their side. Iran does too but from what I am seeing on the forum is they find it difficult to be objective about their values- granted objectivity is hardly a priority when you are under attack.

At this stage, even if they were to test a nuclear device it wouldnt deter the war. I fear it would be a prelude to a nuclear strike on them. Game theory dictate that the dominant path here onward will be ever single country in the region except Pakistan will work to promote political nèi juǎn , as the Chinese would say. You are likely right in your prediction of the planned strategy.

 

[EugeneP]

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[AZ_HighCountry]

you do know iraq started that war right , supported by basically the entire western world

In 2005-2006 we were still uncovering machineguns we provided to the Iraqis during the Iran-Iraq War. In the wrapper no less.

 

[MastanKhan]

Ahmedi Najaad also killed. How come USA / Israel is aware of so many Iranian important peoples exact locations?

Hi,

On the ground spies---.

Spies right in their middle---.

 

[PakFactor]

Hi,

On the ground spies---.

Spies right in their middle---.

During the exploding beepers saga, I realized that Iran and its allies were doomed if their infiltration into a militant group reached this level. The situation was sealed with the initial Iran-Israel skirmish last year.

 

[Serendipity]

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He will be used and disposed by the west. They will produce a handful of alternatives that they really want in control. It will have to be someone with an anti Iraq world view because they cannot risk Iraq and Iran trying to unite again based on a common Shia heritage from the ashes.

Ie he is the joker they are distracting you with whike the real king is being positioned.