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This forum and the Iranian users here are not very representative of Iranians. Firstly half of the so-called Iranians are flying Brazilian, Jamaican, Nigerian, North Korean, Bangladeshi etc. flags to begin with. Most of the few active Iranian users are based in the West no less. From what I recall very few are actually based within Iran where the internet is now currently blocked apparently. In recent years I have met some sane, normal and friendly Iranians, religious and non-religious, Persians, Azeris, Iranian Arabs, Baloch, Iranian Kurds etc. The "problem" with this forum as I wrote earlier in this thread is that this is their main international English speaking forum. They do not have any other such forum. If you google "Iranian defense forum" this is the forum that first appears. They have numerous moderators among them and some moderators here are openly looking at their regime very favorably. This is why insults (to me there is no other explanation) is tolerated because if they combatted such behavior actively there would be few Iranian users left here. We should not take it seriously either. As I wrote, they can insult us all they like to. I do not mind it, as long as they do not cry about my posts or try to censor my when I reply to them. That is all I am asking for. They can insult me personally for all I care.

Even though I despise the Iranian regime for what they have been doing of crimes, fitna, division, opportunistic meddling in the region since 1979, I wish no harm for ordinary non-hostile Iranians - and even those that hate Arabs, KSA, Muslims or whatever. No sane person wants innocents to die etc. but we are not going to censor ourselves and suddenly sing the praises of a regime that has been hurting us actively since 1979 and helping destroy the region.

As I wrote to @mythbuster there were no such problems between us prior to 1979. Even before the Pahlavi dynasty. Take the Qajar's. Only tensions that I recall from more recent history were parts of the Safavid era due to what they did within Iran (converted the country from Sunni to Shia Islam violently while also trying to do it in Iraq and Eastern Arabia). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_conversion_of_Iran_to_Shia_Islam

And yes, of course we will have a rivalry etc. and competition (even though honestly speaking comparing small little Iran with the Arab world is a joke on every front) but nevertheless there is no need for some permanent hostility. In an ideal world we would all benefit from each other and interact like normal people but it is very difficult with such a regime. You see what they are doing in the GCC (Kuwait, Qatar, UAE and Bahrain) even though very little has occurred and the effects are just pure desperation for them to start some wider regional war in order to stop the US and Israel. Unfortunately their plan is only going to have the opposite effect. We already saw it earlier today when the Qatari Air Force shut down 2 Iranian SU-24 fighters.
That's exactly my feelings towards Iranians. But i have no pity for their regime.

They lost their president, asked helped for their lost president. Turkey send a single drone, found their president. Then Iranians said, we didn't helped them and blamed us for filming their military.

Like i'm passed all their wrong doings. Sponsoring secterian wars, aiding terrorists, threatening Azerbaijan. But this thing they did on their president. Like what you would gain for slandering Turks?

They are liked by no county and still blaming Arabs and Turks.
 
I will once again highly recommend this Sunni Persian brother.

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@Sinan it is a failed and irrational and deeply hated (even within Iran) regime. It is a joke that a nation of over 90 million people has a 33.33% smaller economy than 10 million big UAE which has much less oil and gas. It is a joke that they have not achieved more in the past 50 years even in terms of their "resistance". Look at the state of their army.

Not even the Chinese or Russians trusted them. They did not even aid their proxies when they were attacked by Israel/Zionists.

I am not even going to talk about their fitna, open support for terrorists proxies, destruction of Syria, Iraq, Yemen etc. that they have actively fueled.

That is why you have no regional state who sympathize with them or come to their aid.

The only reason why some people are even "supporting" them here or elsewhere is because Israel/Zionists are even more hated and to a degree the US. Not out of some love for their regime and its behavior. I partially understand this and I respect that some people support the regime no matter what - even though I do not understand it.

Look it has no benefit AT ALL for KSA, Turkiye or any regional country to have a perpetually failed Iran next door or an Iran ruled by insane leadership whether the current regime in power or some new regime.

Look this individual is one of the most popular Muslim voices in the West and the UK. He has been critical of KSA (his father in particular - used to be a big supporter), nowadays he has become more favorable along with his father (he and his father - Tunisians - are good people and he is also not a stupid person at all - I agree with a lot of what he say and he is free to criticize KSA - KSA is not perfect, far from it, let alone the current leadership) but what he says here is spot on:

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Unfortunately a lot of people mistake criticism of the Iranian REGIME as criticism of Iranians, Shia Islam or whatever. However I never heard about people conflicting criticism of say the Saudi Arabian regime or Turkish regime with criticism of the people or any particular sects or religion etc. It is strange that this moronic logic (with all due respect) is this selectively applied. I have bene accused (falsely) of having a problem with Shia Islam and other than theological differences and fifth columns within the Arab world, I have no problem with it other than what I wrote, theological differences. Something that 90% of all the world's Muslims have.

This is similar to Zionists equating criticism of Israeli government policies, the Zionist ideology with criticism of Jews and Judaism. It is very tiring.

Zionists are going to accuse you of "anti-Semitism" within seconds the second you criticize their policies and the same thing occurs when you criticize the Iranian regime. You turn into a Salafi, Wahhabi, Zionist and what other nonsense they always reply with.
 
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Damn bro how many posts did you make in the past hours:ROFLMAO:
No i am not in Riyadh, I am in the Western region, i assumed you would be in Riyadh since that is where NAMI is
Its pretty chill here nothing happening alhumdolillah
 
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That is very interesting to hear, I saw this on the other thread with no source so i was not sure about it
So what does this mean if it was not Iranian drones then who did it? Are the zionists trying to wrap the GCC deeper into the war?
An actual refusal by the Iranian FM is a huge move
 
Damn bro how many posts did you make in the past hours:ROFLMAO:
No i am not in Riyadh, I am in the Western region, i assumed you would be in Riyadh since that is where NAMI is
Its pretty chill here nothing happening alhumdolillah
Around 10-15. :ROFLMAO: Mostly updates from X and from a few Arab military forums.

I thought that you were based in Riyadh since you attended the World Defense Show in person not long ago? So you drove or flown all the way to Riyadh from the Western region? Impressive.

What is NAMI? Not referring to the Arabic word here which makes no sense in this context.

No, almost all of my family is from Hejaz and the Western region (Jeddah, Makkah, Madinah, Ta'if, Al-Baha, Yanbu) and I only have fairly distant relatives who are based elsewhere in KSA, mostly Riyadh, Dammam/Dhahran/Al-Khobar region and Ha'il.

Yes, almost nothing has occurred in KSA other than the drone attack on Ras Tanura (fairly limited damage that can be easily rebuilt within a few days/2-3 weeks at worst).

That is very interesting to hear, I saw this on the other thread with no source so i was not sure about it
So what does this mean if it was not Iranian drones then who did it? Are the zionists trying to wrap the GCC deeper into the war?
An actual refusal by the Iranian FM is a huge move

Trusting the Iranian regime is like trusting the Zionists. We have no idea, but if I should make a guess, it is either the Houthi terrorist cult, Iraqi cult militias, Iranian regime or the Zionists/US. We will probably know within a short time period but in any case, KSA should target Iranian oil and gas facilities if they are behind this and I am sure that we will once it is determined what occurred and if they are behind it. The leadership probably already knows. However there is a place for everything. KSA can retaliate at any moment given that Iran is getting carpet bombed every hour and their missiles (their only offensive weapon) are getting depleted. After 2019, KSA eventually replied by supporting separatists who blew up oil and gas installations within Iran - ironically mostly in Iranian Arab inhabited areas where KSA has a lot of intel and people working for us. KSA used to openly found and host the Al-Ahwaz Liberation front and we still support their leadership financially and some are even based within KSA. A few years ago the Iranians tried to assassinate an Iranian Arab opposition figure in Denmark but failed after KSA tipped him and his family off.


Many of the opposition attacks within Iran and sabotage on oil, gas, military etc. has been founded by KSA for years as retaliation for Iranian regime support for proxies against KSA. We also funded some Baloch and Kurdish groups who killed 100's of Iranian border guards and soldiers. Fair game, when they started the meddling. So have no doubt that KSA has the ability to reply, if Iran is behind this, at the right moment and time.
 
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I thought that you were based in Riyadh since you attended the World Defense Show in person not long ago? So you drove or flown all the way to Riyadh from the Western region? Impressive.
Yea I was in Riyadh for another meeting so thought I should not miss this opportunity to visit WDS.
What is NAMI? Not referring to the Arabic word here which makes no sense in this context.
I understood from the other WDS thread that you were going to be at the NAMI booth- the National Academy of Military Industries- maybe i misread your post
We have no idea, but if I should make a guess, it is either the Houthi terrorist cult, Iraqi cult militias, Iranian regime or the Zionists/US.
I doubt it is the houthis- they would have to fire all the way from the RedSea- atleast one of the radars would have picked up something moving across KSA from the Red Sea to Ras Tanura
But it doesnt make sense for the Iranian regime to deny hitting the factory they could have take credit even if they didnt do it but for them to deny it on CNN means that they dont want to escalate this situation further or they want to point it towards Israel staging false flags
 
Yea I was in Riyadh for another meeting so thought I should not miss this opportunity to visit WDS.

I understood from the other WDS thread that you were going to be at the NAMI booth- the National Academy of Military Industries- maybe i misread your post

I doubt it is the houthis- they would have to fire all the way from the RedSea- atleast one of the radars would have picked up something moving across KSA from the Red Sea to Ras Tanura
But it doesnt make sense for the Iranian regime to deny hitting the factory they could have take credit even if they didnt do it but for them to deny it on CNN means that they dont want to escalate this situation further or they want to point it towards Israel staging false flags

Makes sense now.

No, you must have mistaken me with someone else. I am not currently in KSA either, will return later this month, unless the region suddenly blows up completely but even if it does I will have to be back. :ROFLMAO:

Do you really trust what the Iranian regime claims? Their entire leadership was annihilated. They are now operating without any central command. It is very strange though. The damage does not look very big either. If debris it only takes very little for such a facility to catch fire and it is not very easy to extinguish it completely all at once.

Anyway we will find out and if I have to guess, the leadership probably already knows.

Speaking about this, not a government official but he is making sensible points.

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I personally think that it is just a question of time before KSA and the wider GCC retaliates militarily against Iran. Maybe finally we will see our ballistic missiles in action? Would be some sight to behold.
 
Many very active Iranian Arab opposition figures:

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Soon they will have no navy left as well.

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Another Iranian Arab:

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Complete destruction of the headquarters of the repressive internal security forces in Tehran.

Iranian regime soldier casualties are probably in the 1000's already after just 2 days of war. Israel apparently estimated a conservative amount of 1500 IRGC (only) casualties earlier today and that just from IDF attacks.
 
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Soon no air force either:

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Bahrain's Minister of Interior just now to journalists:"As for the one who sees that his loyalty to Iran is greater than his connection to Bahrain… I believe it is better for him to trust in God and live there (meaning Iran).."

Iranian parliament building is getting bombed:

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More violent bombardment:

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Hilarious delusions from a dying regime:

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@Falcon29

Leaving Arabized and Arab-obsessed trolls aside, what is your take on this? Your focus, not surprisingly, will be on Israel, which is understandable and normal but what would you do in the case of UAE, Qatar, Kuwait and Bahrain if this disruption (that is all it is) continues for much longer?

The Iranian regime is fighting for its existence and is desperate and has suffered numerous heavy loses, including the annihilation of its leadership within the first 24 hours, so they are trying to draw the small GCC states into a regional war in order to raise the costs of the conflict and in order to stop the US and Israeli onslaught on them. I am afraid that their actions have just had the opposite effect. Now there is zero chance of those smaller GCC states working towards removing those US bases or US presence. So once again that regime is shooting itself in the foot like it has been doing since 1979 continuously.

If anything those 4 small GCC states - who have a combined air force and navy that can cause Iran immense harm, could even be forced into/lured into attacking them directly. Opening another big front.

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I was saying weeks before this started. It will hurt Muslim nations worst if it happens. I will link video below where US Secretary of State Rubio says their objective is to destroy Iranian ballistic missiles and program. That's all it is for Israel and the US. What they means is they did not take Arab states national security into question at all and I'm furious about it. They know Iran's short range arsenal is massive and can strike neighboring Arab states at will. And they didn't even care nor provide ample defenses for Arab states. And yet went ahead and did something reckless like killing Iranian supreme leader.

This tells me US and Israel want to set back Arab states at least 3-5 years which is very bad. Maybe as some punishment for not budging when it comes to normalization with Israel. And right before Saudi Pakistan defense arrangement began taking form. Netanyahu had talked about 'Sunni axis' literally days ago and said we will destroy it . He calls it Sunni jihadist axis but what they really mean is general Arab Sunnis states + Syria + Sunnis of Lebanon and Palestine.

Iran's is going to suffer tremendously too. If regime doesn't later collapse it will be severely weakened and will be difficult to survive post war fall out. The population in Iran will probably revolt in a big way if war ends after months of war. So it's in IR interest for this to end quickly. But it's also imo in Arab states interest for this to end quickly too because it's really difficult defending against thousands of short range ballistic missiles.

I would pressure US to end this, because as an Arab it is in my interest to preserve crucial infrastructure and fast track strategic security alliance + focus on developing Syria as Syria will be integral for Arab soft power in region.

But I have a feeling US and Israel are enjoying this and want to make GCC feel vulnerable and will refuse to scale back their unrealistic demands for a deal.

I hope Arab leaders thought this out before it all popped off and I hope they had no part in even saying they're ready and prepared for US action. It was obvious from beginning where this is going.

Look at this guy what he's saying . The US can't be trusted :

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Iran cannot win any war or conflict - not even a single battle. They are not even remotely hurting Israel either. So unless their goal, as usual, never was Israel to begin with, but their usual obsession with Arabs, they are better off not targeting the GCC directly and looking for a diplomatic way out with the US and Israel.

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This guy and his father are members of the MB branch in Tunisia. He is heavily critical of Arab regimes himself - his father too. So nobody can accuse him of being biased for speaking the truth about the Iranian regime.

We have numerous Hamas officials openly saying the same things or similar things:

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Otherwise if they continue they will force the GCC to target them as well and then it will be total game over. Even if Iran temporarily destroys the oil and gas infrastructure in the region - their own oil and gas infrastructure will be leveled to the ground and the Iranian regime will collapse completely as they will be without any income.

Their current posturing of closing the Strait of Hurmuz long-term and whatever (never going to occur) is just maximum desperation and another attempt to halt the war.
 
@_Arabia_

But since you asked. If I was in Arab state shoes I'd hold out for one more week until it's reflected on gas prices for American citizens. Americans are very sensitive to that and trump will feel the heat.

Iran is inevitablely going to target important GCC infrastructure if US doesn't back off. They are probably capable of that and we shouldn't underestimate their capability.

I have no idea what GCC will do from there. How long it will take to repair such infrastructure and where they get help from. I'm sure they'd join the war directly at that point. I just personally would hate to be the one facing brunt of retailation and highest costs for an unnecessary war. Israel could have attacked Iran ballistic program by itself and left everyone out of it.

It decided to half heartedly push for regime change. So it can blow up in face of GCC.
 
I was saying weeks before this started. It will hurt Muslim nations worst if it happens. I will link video below where US Secretary of State Rubio says their objective is to destroy Iranian ballistic missiles and program. That's all it is for Israel and the US. What they means is they did not take Arab states national security into question at all and I'm furious about it. They know Iran's short range arsenal is massive and can strike neighboring Arab states at will. And they didn't even care nor provide ample defenses for Arab states. And yet went ahead and did something reckless like killing Iranian supreme leader.

This tells me US and Israel want to set back Arab states at least 3-5 years which is very bad. Maybe as some punishment for not budging when it comes to normalization with Israel. And right before Saudi Pakistan defense arrangement began taking form. Netanyahu had talked about 'Sunni axis' literally days ago and said we will destroy it . He calls it Sunni jihadist axis but what they really mean is general Arab Sunnis states + Syria + Sunnis of Lebanon and Palestine.

Iran's is going to suffer tremendously too. If regime doesn't later collapse it will be severely weakened and will be difficult to survive post war fall out. The population in Iran will probably revolt in a big way if war ends after months of war. So it's in IR interest for this to end quickly. But it's also imo in Arab states interest for this to end quickly too because it's really difficult defending against thousands of short range ballistic missiles.

I would pressure US to end this, because as an Arab it is in my interest to preserve crucial infrastructure and fast track strategic security alliance + focus on developing Syria as Syria will be integral for Arab soft power in region.

But I have a feeling US and Israel are enjoying this and want to make GCC feel vulnerable and will refuse to scale back their unrealistic demands for a deal.

I hope Arab leaders thought this out before it all popped off and I hope they had no part in even saying they're ready and prepared for US action. It was obvious from beginning where this is going.

Look at this guy what he's saying . The US can't be trusted :

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You make some intelligent observations that I do not disagree but I think that you are too soft and naive, with all due respect, when it comes to the role of the Iranian regime here. Don't forget that the very same Iranian regime has been a MASSIVE reason for fitnah, opportunistic meddling in the Arab world and in some places outright support for mass-murder of Arabs and Muslims (Iraq and Syria). They never lifted a finger for Gaza or Palestine until they were attacked by Israel and the US directly. Don't conflict their attacks on Israel as some kind of defense or care for Palestinians. It would be a big mistake. Not even Hamas officials belief this.

We have 47 years of their history in front of us and their track record in the region. They never changed. That is why they have been a constant source of instability and why they are rightly viewed as an enemy of Arabs in many ways (certainly many their regional policies) and many of us view them similarly as the Zionists. Both support the fragmentation and division of the Arab world and our lands and countries. Look at the separatists that Israel is supporting in the Arab world. Iran has been doing the exact same thing since 1979 - just with their own proxies. We cannot and will not tolerate this any longer.

It is very possible, and I personally believe this, that Israel is actively trying and looking for a wider GCC/Arab-Iran conflict. We have semi-official Israeli figures saying it openly as well. I linked to the absurd X posts of that Edy Cohen Zionist (Arab Lebanese Jew). He has 1 million followers on X on his Arabic account. Look at his obsession and insults aimed at KSA constantly. I just discovered him today.


But even if Israel is actively trying to light a fire, you cannot expect GCC states to remain silent if Iran continues to fire missiles and drones - no matter how little destruction they do overall, it is a economic, security and geopolitical burden. There are millions of stranded tourists alone. I saw numbers of 300.000 UK citizens alone. Those are massive numbers. You also have the dimension of the oil and gas export and world energy that world powers, China in particular, relies on. This is not sustainable.

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Remember, KSA is not a part of all this mess. We don't host any US bases or any foreign bases. All that we allowed was for the US to use the Prince Sultan Air Base as a transit base. No offensive operations have been conducted from KSA.

Which is why you have Iranian officials openly saying that they have not targeted KSA. Whether this is true or not we will soon figure out.

However KSA is mostly untouched and even if we were attacked - remember that KSA is a massive country. Almost 1.5 times the size of Iran.

In fact bigger than Iran and Iraq combined.


From South to North the distance is half of the distance between NYC and LA to put it into perspective. The distance from East to West is like the distance between Scandinavia and Southern Italy.

A few drone and missile attacks is not going to change anything. Remember that we also have one of the world's most extensive air defenses with THAAD, Patriot and numerous other systems as well as 10 + years of experience dawning ballistic missiles and drones just across the mostly very mountainous border with Yemen and almost all over KSA.

Until the Ukraine-Russia war we had the world record in terms of intercepting missiles and drones. Prior to that Israel never intercepted anything this sophisticated so I don't include them.

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