Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[AZ_HighCountry]

Such drama queens. This reminds me of that CNN reporter Clarissa something who had the same theatrics in Ukraine and then Gaza.

Clarissa Ward. You are spot on.

 

[hyperman]

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US using Indian Naval ports.

 

[irani]

Kurdish terrorist will start a ground invasion in a few days, Iran should have wiped them when we had the chance.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

So it was actually a Kuwaiti FA-18 that downed the F-15s, first Air to Air to loss for the F-15 although since it came from friendly fire it doesn't count.

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And confirmed by a real news organization since most of the crowd here seems to avoid such sources:

 

[SecularNationalist]

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Us consulate in Dubai got hit
And the hotline for helping out US citizens in the gulf countries is hacked lol. When you dial it it says " do not rely on Americans to help you out"

 

[ToddE]

Can mods ban discussion on offtopic irrelevant stuff esp India and Pakistan dynamic in this thread ?

 

[Brutal.]

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This is how brave the enemy is.

 

[SecularNationalist]

And confirmed by a real news organization since most of the crowd here seems to avoid such sources:

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Fox news is as real as the tits of Kim Kardashian.

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Can mods ban discussion on offtopic irrelevant stuff esp India and Pakistan dynamic in this thread ?

The section and full mods have been quite busy doing just that. There's only so many of them so please be patient and report anything you feel is off topic.

 

[ToddE]

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[Sainthood 2.0]

Iranians are arrogant and refused to play the game
That's why none of their allys are showing up

After the war they need to go back to the drawing board and make peace with Gulf Arabs or else forget pak even China wouldn't help
They'll be isolated

It all goes back to how no one wants to piss of Gulf Arabs not the Chinese, not the Russian nor Pakos although since we're islamist we'll have some sensitivities but at the end of the day you have to play the game
You're not living in an island

My older post
""IF" the government in Iran survives, they need to have some serious trust-building exercises with GCC arabs

Because I feel China is a bit hesitant to provide serious weaponry to Iran as they still want a good relationship with GCC Arabs and they feel that if they arm the current Iranian government in any meaningful way it might piss of GCC arabs to such an extent that they won't be able to make inroads with the Gulf monarchies for the foreseeable future

They don't want that risk

And a lot of people are talking about building up Iran's nuclear program, well as long as GCC arabs are against it Iran wont be able to make its nuclear weapons in peace where they'll provide full support to israeli, American bombings

Hell I think with our saudi pact, someday god forbid, and I say that very seriously, as it'd be very counterproductive for the region

Even we might have to get involved on the wrong side at least passively.

When the war is over its essential for Iran to have a better relationship with GCC arabs or else itll be more of the same for Iran as far as its isolation is concerned."

Play the game Sonny boy
Play the game

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[SecularNationalist]

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This is how brave the enemy is.

Bro that's some next level harassment

 

[SecularNationalist]

Play the game Sunny boy
Play the game

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Iran said only Russian and Chinese ships will be allowed.

 

[PK781]

Iranians are arrogant and refused to play the game
That's why none of their allys are showing up

After the war they need to go back to the drawing board and make peace with Gulf Arabs or else forget pak even China wouldn't help
They'll be isolated

It all goes back to how no one wants to piss of Gulf Arabs not the Chinese, not the Russian nor Pakos although since we're islamist we'll have some sensitivities but at the end of the day you have to play the game
You're not living in an island

My older post
""IF" the government in Iran survives, they need to have some serious trust-building exercises with GCC arabs

Because I feel China is a bit hesitant to provide serious weaponry to Iran as they still want a good relationship with GCC Arabs and they feel that if they arm the current Iranian government in any meaningful way it might piss of GCC arabs to such an extent that they won't be able to make inroads with the Gulf monarchies for the foreseeable future

They don't want that risk

And a lot of people are talking about building up Iran's nuclear program, well as long as GCC arabs are against it Iran wont be able to make its nuclear weapons in peace where they'll provide full support to israeli, American bombings

Hell I think with our saudi pact, someday god forbid, and I say that very seriously, as it'd be very counterproductive for the region

Even we might have to get involved on the wrong side at least passively.

When the war is over its essential for Iran to have a better relationship with GCC arabs or else itll be more of the same for Iran as far as its isolation is concerned."

This won’t happen if iran continues to strike the gcc and KSA and cause damage to infrastructure and civilians.
How much more drones/missiles on empty bases in those countries? Aren’t they destroyed already? Iwould think they r taken out already

Something isn’t adding up here. Is Iran still striking gcc or its only striking israel now? This is not clear at all from this thread…..as we keep seeing x posts mentioning iran still striking all of them….

Fog of war it seems nobody knows and everyone speculates

 

[EugeneP]

US president criticises prime minister for third time 24 hours, describing him as ‘not Churchill’ over initial refusal

Donald Trump has launched a deeply personal attack on Keir Starmer over his refusal to let the US launch initial strikes on Iran from British bases, telling reporters: “This is not Winston Churchill that we’re dealing with.”

In his latest extraordinary salvo, the US president said he was not happy with the UK even though the prime minister eventually agreed the US could use Diego Garcia for strikes on Iranian missile facilities.


It was the third time in 24 hours that Trump had criticised Starmer for the UK’s refusal to aid the initial strikes, underlining his frustration at western allies for not unequivocally backing the action.


He told the Sun on Monday that the “relationship is obviously not what it was” as a result of the decision, and in an interview with the Telegraph he said Starmer had taken far too long to allow the US to use UK bases.

Starmer has previously been praised for his ability to maintain a relationship with the volatile US president, but on Monday in the Commons, he expressed doubt about the US action in Tehran and its legality.

He issued his strongest rebuke yet, saying the UK did not believe in “regime change from the skies” and defended his decision not to allow the use of British bases to conduct the strikes.

But he said the UK would allow the use of Diego Garcia and RAF Fairford for defensive action to protect British citizens and forces, as well as allied countries in the Middle East which have been hit by a wave of retaliatory strikes from Iran after the US-Israeli attacks.

“President Trump has expressed his disagreement with our decision not to get involved in the initial strikes, but it is my duty to judge what is in Britain’s national interest. That is what I have done, and I stand by it,” Starmer said on Monday.

The chair of the influential foreign affairs committee, Emily Thornberry, said of the US president’s latest comments: “I can’t help but wonder what Churchill would have made of Trump. He certainly ain’t no Franklin D Roosevelt.”

European countries have struggled to find a united position on the rapidly unfolding events in the Middle East. Trump threatened to cut off all trade with Spain on Tuesday after Madrid prohibited the US from using bases on its territory to carry out attacks on Iran.

Sitting alongside the German chancellor, Friedrich Merz, in the Oval Office on Tuesday, Trump said the UK had been “very, very uncooperative with that stupid island that they have” in an apparent reference to Diego Garcia.

He also criticised Spain for being uncooperative saying it had been “terrible”, then added: “I’m not happy with the UK either. That island that you read about … It’s taken three or four days to work out where we can land.

“It would have been much more convenient landing there as opposed to flying many extra hours. We are very surprised. This is not Winston Churchill that we’re dealing with.”


Trump had previously compared Starmer’s position unfavourably with France’s support for the strikes and the backing of the Nato secretary general, Mark Rutte. “He has not been helpful. I never thought I’d see that. I never thought I’d see that from the UK. We love the UK,” he told the Sun.

“It’s a different world, actually. It’s just a much different kind of relationship that we’ve had with your country before. It’s very sad to see that the relationship is obviously not what it was.”

Trump said Starmer also needed to change course on the Changos Islands deal – which the US had previously supported – as well as North Sea oil and gas exploration and immigration.

“Stop people from coming in from foreign lands who hate you,” he said. Asked if Starmer was trying to court Muslim voters, Trump said it could be the case. He has also falsely claimed there are sharia courts in London.

The prime minister’s chief secretary, Darren Jones, said: “The UK will act in the interests of British citizens, regardless of their faith or where they are in the UK.

“I think the public would rightly say they don’t want to be involved in a wider war in the Middle East, but they would expect us to do whatever we can to defend British citizens.”

A poll from YouGov shows that 49% of Britons oppose the US strikes on Iran compared with 28% who back them. It also reveals that 32% support the US using RAF bases to launch attacks as long as the targets are restricted to missile sites, while 50% oppose it.

Starmer should be happy. Trump could have said U.K. is a tiny country and Governor Starmer should make U.K. into 53rd (or 54th ...) State. And that he may like to take it someday one way or other.