Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

The critical thing to watch is the price of oil. Iran's closure of the Strait of Hormuz is like a lion holding the neck of an antelope as its life ebbs away. It will take some time, a week or two maybe, for oil prices to start going up to the point where it starts effecting the world economy. Even the US public will get angry when gas prices go up to $15/20 per gallon.

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As I said any damage in the gulf will be paid by the world... participant or not!

Second and most crucial thing you're looking at right now is the "incentive structure" at play... it isn't capitalist not communist....
Where a capitalist keep betting bigger, and more expensive, a communist on numbers and distribution of work load. This is totally utilitarian, what works, and a doctrine/deployment around it.

Capital would be undercutting itself for a mere utilitarian platform or product... there is no money to be made while simultaneously unable to reply in-kind, taking losses, due to fundamental structural disparity. So it must disengage.

 

[Starlord]

Nope I am not in Tehran and the question is irrelevant because your family isn't in Tehran either to question mine.

Iran is seeing this day, because they failed to develop a nuclear weapon. They should have foresee this when they Qasem Soleimani was killed in 2020.

Now that they have to live to see this day, they have to make the best out of the situation. The best way to win, is to drag US into a war of attrition, which they have been trying to avoid for a long time. They have done it against Iraq in the 80s, they definitely can achieve this against Israel/USA. Giving them breathing space, like in June 2025, will only result in more civilians being killed in the future.

Exactly, neither of our families are in Tehran while you are here cheering for Iran to keep fighting when they are getting nowhere, Iran's air space is play ground for America/Israel, they literally have hundreds of MQ-9s and keep droning anything or anyone they want, no to mentioned over 300-400 Advance fighter jets, Destroyers and 2 AC which can bomb Iran for months/years if they want to. America can simply abandon their bases in ME and operate from AC and they will still be unmatched for Iran because there is nothing Iran can do to stop, they have no Air force left, AD systems are almost spent and the missiles/drones they are launching 70-80% of them get intercepted, so on what basis you are asking Iranians to keep fight? they have no nukes, its hard to launch BM which get picked up by IDF/American AF you want Iran to win with just Shahed Drones? yeah that's not gonna happen, its in their own interest to seek peace but not surrender, they can negotiate a better while they still have few hundred BM left, but within few weeks once all the facilities/bases are gone and inventory is depleted than it will be a painful thing to watch Iran burn which I don't want.

 

[Salza]

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[Starlord]

Tbf to Hamas, they didn't think Muslims of Middle East were this weak

But that's not my point. My point is they demonstrated capability to deliver credible tactical blows to a modern regional power backed by USA

If Hamas had more strategic depth and resources they would be deadly

Hamas has fought a asymmetric warfare, in a Urban environment that doesn't mean they would good in modern warfare which include Tanks/Air force/Naval assets and AD systems, its all hypothetical. And if Hamas didn't take into consideration of Arab's cuck behaviors than I would say they are even dumber because ask anyone into the world who is not a nationalist Arab will tell you that Arabs can't fight, nor they will come to help/rescue any of their own kin if Israel/UK/USA/NATO is involved. I can bet if tomorrow Israel start bombing Jordan not a single Arab/GCC country can do anything besides condemning it.

 

[Hayabusa]

Exactly, neither of our families are in Tehran while you are here cheering for Iran to keep fighting when they are getting nowhere, Iran's air space is play ground for America/Israel, they literally have hundreds of MQ-9s and keep droning anything or anyone they want, no to mentioned over 300-400 Advance fighter jets, Destroyers and 2 AC which can bomb Iran for months/years if they want to. America can simply abandon their bases in ME and operate from AC and they will still be unmatched for Iran because there is nothing Iran can do to stop, they have no Air force left, AD systems are almost spent and the missiles/drones they are launching 70-80% of them get intercepted, so on what basis you are asking Iranians to keep fight? they have no nukes, its hard to launch BM which get picked up by IDF/American AF you want Iran to win with just Shahed Drones? yeah that's not gonna happen, its in their own interest to seek peace but not surrender, they can negotiate a better while they still have few hundred BM left, but within few weeks once all the facilities/bases are gone and inventory is depleted than it will be a painful thing to watch Iran burn which I don't want.

It doesn't matter if either family is in Tehran. You need to keep your emotions out and use logic here.

You need to remember this. It does not matter how technologically advanced or overwhelmingly powerful a military is. The second the casualty count starts rising, the domestic population back home will inevitably turn against this conflict, which is already highly unpopular from the start. We will simply be looking at another prolonged disaster exactly like Iraq or Afghanistan. You are severely underestimating Iran's resolve to fight, while completely overestimating the actual stomach the United States has for another endless war.

Also, Shahed drones is just one of the equipment mentioned here. They have other missiles that can threaten their surface vessels.

 

[Takayoshi]

Al-Jazeera:

"IRGC says it has launched 40 missiles at US, Israeli targets"

 

[dr.coomer]

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video is cgi, but I heard the claims today. Unsure if it is true or not.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I'm also convinced only Muslim nation that actually knows how to fight a war is Pakistan

If IR falls, Arabs should just pay Europe trillions to bomb Israel for them

Don't see other option

No matter how many trillions you pay them, white europeans would NEVER bomb white european israelis at the behest of brown-olive skinned Muslims. That is WHY europe is supporting israel in the genocide of 100,000+ brown/olive-skinned Palestinians in Gaza.

 

[Hayabusa]

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Smelling with that ugly nose of his.

 

[Falcon29]

Hamas has fought a asymmetric warfare, in a Urban environment that doesn't mean they would good in modern warfare which include Tanks/Air force/Naval assets and AD systems, its all hypothetical. And if Hamas didn't take into consideration of Arab's cuck behaviors than I would say they are even dumber because ask anyone into the world who is not a nationalist Arab will tell you that Arabs can't fight, nor they will come to help/rescue any of their own kin if Israel/UK/USA/NATO is involved. I can bet if tomorrow Israel start bombing Jordan not a single Arab/GCC country can do anything besides condemning it.

Lots of groups in region fight asymmetric warfare and could never do operation like Toofan Al-Aqsa. That's modern warfare. If Palestinians had a country and were ruled by Hamas, we can absolutely do modern warfare. Our people are educated and creative.

Hamas knows how Arabs but tried a one last hoorah to force them to change.

But I'm afraid Arabs are doomed. They're unwilling to change and going to get eaten alive by US and Israel if they don't stop being so passive and cowardly. And lack military creativity.

 

[Starlord]

It doesn't matter if either family is in Tehran. You need to keep your emotions out and use logic here.

You need to remember this. It does not matter how technologically advanced or overwhelmingly powerful a military is. The second the casualty count starts rising, the domestic population back home will inevitably turn against this conflict, which is already highly unpopular from the start. We will simply be looking at another prolonged disaster exactly like Iraq or Afghanistan. You are severely underestimating Iran's resolve to fight, while completely overestimating the actual stomach the United States has for another endless war.

Also, Shahed drones is just one of the equipment mentioned here. They have other missiles that can threaten their surface vessels.

Easier said than done, please tag me when the causalities of Iranian enemies reach 50-100. I am not being emotional, I just don't want a destroyed balkanized and F'd up Iran, a Iran where Israel can bomb any target any time they want to like in Syria/Iraq/Libya etc. But it seems like the Cheerleaders of Iranians not helping the nation but all this fake ego boost will cost dearly to Iranian civilians, they just lost 100's in Protests and now this war. They deserve peace, better life and not a constant threat of getting bombed.

 

[Falcon29]

No matter how many trillions you pay them, white europeans would NEVER bomb white european israelis at the behest of brown-olive skinned Muslims. That is WHY europe is supporting israel in the genocide of 100,000+ brown/olive-skinned Palestinians in Gaza.

A lot of Arabs are wheatish/white skinned. But I agree with your premise.

Europe would only do it if USA stabbed them in back badly like taking Greenland by force

And if they needed some resources urgently from middle east to survive ...

 

[Starlord]

Lots of groups in region fight asymmetric warfare and could never do operation like Toofan Al-Aqsa. That's modern warfare. If Palestinians had a country and were ruled by Hamas, we can absolutely do modern warfare. Our people are educated and creative.

Hamas knows how Arabs but tried a one last hoorah to force them to change.

But I'm afraid Arabs are doomed. They're unwilling to change and going to get eaten alive by US and Israel if they don't stop being so passive and cowardly. And lack military creativity.

Lots of if's here my friend, yeah Palestinians have never had a state so we don't know how well they would perform so I would not even consider that, as for Arabs you are right as they are doomed until the time is right and will of Allah change their hearts which i don't see it happening anytime soon. They love their exotic cars, Russian hookers, palaces and lavish life style, if i had it all heck i would not want to lose it too but the early Muslims were successful because they had nothing except Iman, and today Muslims have everything except Iman.

 

[Falcon29]

Urgent | Katz: We will continue working with our American partners to crush the capabilities of the Iranian regime and create conditions for the people to overthrow it and replace it.

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[tower9]

It’s a matter of semantics whether we call this WW3 or not. We could say that 9/11 in 2001 was the start of WW3.

This attack on Iran is a part of the series of countries that the US planned to attack after 9/11. The seven countries mentioned in the 2001 memo were: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Iran.

For it to be classified as WW3 would mean global war with US, NATO, Russia, China involved with free use of nuclear weapons. Millions or billions dead.

This war may escalate to that, but I see it more as a limited campaign, with the real WW3 to come later.

Russia is already fighting a war. The US and Israel is fighting one now. Iran is fighting.

Eventually China will have to fight too. But I'm thinking it wants everyone else to exhaust themselves, then walk in and win everything.