Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Starlord]

This is what I have been saying for many years on this forum and it's previous iteration. There is an extreme sickness in a lot of brown/olive-skinned Muslims that is akin to hindutva. This fellow above is someone who is a coward and worships the white european races. He is a kuffar that will gladly become an idol-worshipper.

These people would've put Muhammad PBUH under house arrest, and if Prophet's Companions were fighting they will say fighting the Companions will be considered Jihad too, KSA has turn Islam into something to be weaponized and used for political too give legitimacy to their Kings, which in FACT has no precedent in Islam. There are no kings in Islam and we have see those Kings who rise from the shadows have often abused their authority and Islam as well.

 

[Falcon29]

I am really missing my dear Hamas

Warrior race of Middle East

Only people (in the region) that know how to fight war but were contained to a tiny open air prison

Imagine if Palestine was free and Hamas ran it. It would become the dominant regional power without a doubt

 

[Starlord]

I hope China is doing the necessary behind the scenes.

I doubt it, China's isolationists Policy is the reason why they have no real allies, they fight for no friends nor any friend fight for them if need arise, they are mostly alone, whether by Western design or their own doings your guess is good as mine.

 

[Navid09]

You can see other explosions in the sky which are interceptors thinking they are close enough to destroy the incoming missile. The Israelis also ignore missiles if they calculate it will fall on open land.

They don't self destruct to kill nearby missile, they do it when they know it failed interception so that they can safely discard of it.

 

[Hayabusa]

Are you in Tehran? is your family in Tehran? they are gonna kill civilians by thousands of this war prolonged, USA/Israel will drop bombs in neighborhoods, so rather than cheering for Iranians to keep fighting a war they may well not win, its time to seek peace. There is nothing wrong with it, Live to fight another day...

Nope I am not in Tehran and the question is irrelevant because your family isn't in Tehran either to question mine.

Iran is seeing this day, because they failed to develop a nuclear weapon. They should have foresee this when Qasem Soleimani was killed in 2020.

Now that they have to live to see this day, they have to make the best out of the situation. The best way to win, is to drag US into a war of attrition, which they have been trying to avoid for a long time. They have done it against Iraq in the 80s, they definitely can achieve this against Israel/USA. Giving them breathing space, like in June 2025, will only result in more civilians being killed in the future.

 

[Starlord]

I am really missing my dear Hamas

Warrior race of Middle East

Only people (in the region) that know how to fight war but were contained to a tiny open air prison

Imagine if Palestine was free and Hamas ran it. It would become the dominant regional power without a doubt

This is what happen when you bite more than you can chew, Hamas doing cause Palestinians Gaza, and 1000's dead and god know how many bodies already decomposed under the rubble.

 

[Falcon29]

I am really missing my dear Hamas

Warrior race of Middle East

Only people (in the region) that know how to fight war but were contained to a tiny open air prison

Imagine if Palestine was free and Hamas ran it. It would become the dominant regional power without a doubt

I'm also convinced only Muslim nation that actually knows how to fight a war is Pakistan

If IR falls, Arabs should just pay Europe trillions to bomb Israel for them

Don't see other option

 

[dr.coomer]

Are you in Tehran? is your family in Tehran? they are gonna kill civilians by thousands of this war prolonged, USA/Israel will drop bombs in neighborhoods, so rather than cheering for Iranians to keep fighting a war they may well not win, its time to seek peace. There is nothing wrong with it, Live to fight another day...

Seek peace how? Walk me through it and what do you think the US/Israel will do?

 

[Falcon29]

This is what happen when you bite more than you can chew, Hamas doing cause Palestinians Gaza, and 1000's dead and god know how many bodies already decomposed under the rubble.

Tbf to Hamas, they didn't think Muslims of Middle East were this weak

But that's not my point. My point is they demonstrated capability to deliver credible tactical blows to a modern regional power backed by USA

If Hamas had more strategic depth and resources they would be deadly

 

[Tamerlane]

Way too optimistic. And we are already in ww3, we are in the early years.

It’s a matter of semantics whether we call this WW3 or not. We could say that 9/11 in 2001 was the start of WW3.

This attack on Iran is a part of the series of countries that the US planned to attack after 9/11. The seven countries mentioned in the 2001 memo were: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Iran.

For it to be classified as WW3 would mean global war with US, NATO, Russia, China involved with free use of nuclear weapons. Millions or billions dead.

This war may escalate to that, but I see it more as a limited campaign, with the real WW3 to come later.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

The critical thing to watch is the price of oil. Iran's closure of the Strait of Hormuz is like a lion holding the neck of an antelope as its life ebbs away. It will take some time, a week or two maybe, for oil prices to start going up to the point where it starts effecting the world economy. Even the US public will get angry when gas prices go up to $15/20 per gallon.

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As I said any damage in the gulf will be paid by the world... participant or not!

Second and most crucial thing you're looking at right now is the "incentive structure" at play... it isn't capitalist not communist....
Where a capitalist keep betting bigger, and more expensive, a communist on numbers and distribution of work load. This is totally utilitarian, what works, and a doctrine/deployment around it.

Capital would be undercutting itself for a mere utilitarian platform or product... there is no money to be made while simultaneously unable to reply in-kind, taking losses, due to fundamental structural disparity. So it must disengage.

 

[Starlord]

Nope I am not in Tehran and the question is irrelevant because your family isn't in Tehran either to question mine.

Iran is seeing this day, because they failed to develop a nuclear weapon. They should have foresee this when they Qasem Soleimani was killed in 2020.

Now that they have to live to see this day, they have to make the best out of the situation. The best way to win, is to drag US into a war of attrition, which they have been trying to avoid for a long time. They have done it against Iraq in the 80s, they definitely can achieve this against Israel/USA. Giving them breathing space, like in June 2025, will only result in more civilians being killed in the future.

Exactly, neither of our families are in Tehran while you are here cheering for Iran to keep fighting when they are getting nowhere, Iran's air space is play ground for America/Israel, they literally have hundreds of MQ-9s and keep droning anything or anyone they want, no to mentioned over 300-400 Advance fighter jets, Destroyers and 2 AC which can bomb Iran for months/years if they want to. America can simply abandon their bases in ME and operate from AC and they will still be unmatched for Iran because there is nothing Iran can do to stop, they have no Air force left, AD systems are almost spent and the missiles/drones they are launching 70-80% of them get intercepted, so on what basis you are asking Iranians to keep fight? they have no nukes, its hard to launch BM which get picked up by IDF/American AF you want Iran to win with just Shahed Drones? yeah that's not gonna happen, its in their own interest to seek peace but not surrender, they can negotiate a better while they still have few hundred BM left, but within few weeks once all the facilities/bases are gone and inventory is depleted than it will be a painful thing to watch Iran burn which I don't want.

 

[Salza]

Is this true?

 

[Starlord]

Tbf to Hamas, they didn't think Muslims of Middle East were this weak

But that's not my point. My point is they demonstrated capability to deliver credible tactical blows to a modern regional power backed by USA

If Hamas had more strategic depth and resources they would be deadly

Hamas has fought a asymmetric warfare, in a Urban environment that doesn't mean they would good in modern warfare which include Tanks/Air force/Naval assets and AD systems, its all hypothetical. And if Hamas didn't take into consideration of Arab's cuck behaviors than I would say they are even dumber because ask anyone into the world who is not a nationalist Arab will tell you that Arabs can't fight, nor they will come to help/rescue any of their own kin if Israel/UK/USA/NATO is involved. I can bet if tomorrow Israel start bombing Jordan not a single Arab/GCC country can do anything besides condemning it.

 

[Hayabusa]

Exactly, neither of our families are in Tehran while you are here cheering for Iran to keep fighting when they are getting nowhere, Iran's air space is play ground for America/Israel, they literally have hundreds of MQ-9s and keep droning anything or anyone they want, no to mentioned over 300-400 Advance fighter jets, Destroyers and 2 AC which can bomb Iran for months/years if they want to. America can simply abandon their bases in ME and operate from AC and they will still be unmatched for Iran because there is nothing Iran can do to stop, they have no Air force left, AD systems are almost spent and the missiles/drones they are launching 70-80% of them get intercepted, so on what basis you are asking Iranians to keep fight? they have no nukes, its hard to launch BM which get picked up by IDF/American AF you want Iran to win with just Shahed Drones? yeah that's not gonna happen, its in their own interest to seek peace but not surrender, they can negotiate a better while they still have few hundred BM left, but within few weeks once all the facilities/bases are gone and inventory is depleted than it will be a painful thing to watch Iran burn which I don't want.

It doesn't matter if either family is in Tehran. You need to keep your emotions out and use logic here.

You need to remember this. It does not matter how technologically advanced or overwhelmingly powerful a military is. The second the casualty count starts rising, the domestic population back home will inevitably turn against this conflict, which is already highly unpopular from the start. We will simply be looking at another prolonged disaster exactly like Iraq or Afghanistan. You are severely underestimating Iran's resolve to fight, while completely overestimating the actual stomach the United States has for another endless war.

Also, Shahed drones is just one of the equipment mentioned here. They have other missiles that can threaten their surface vessels.