Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[RescueRanger]

Iran just needs to maintain the air defense threat. The point is that the US Air Force never feels safe,

What air defence threat?

 

[kobra]

This is all because Iran doesn't have much SAMs to engage the massive amount of fighter planes this unholy tag team from hell brought into the battlefield.

Iran knows that the two "satans", Israel and USA will come at them with hundreds of fighter planes, so they should have prepared to build or buy at least a few dozen S-300-equivalent SAM batteries totaling up to 2000 SAMs. This would allow Iran to engage a minimum of 1000 enemy aircraft(since 2 missiles will be fired at one) after dispersing those radars and batteries at various sites.

And since Israel will attack from long-range with ALBMs, radar must be protected or Iranian CAP with AWACs should patrol the border with Iraq to detect ALBM launches at a distance.

Complete Air superiority is a dream... Israil has complete access to Lebanons airpspace since decades, whats the are of lebanon compare to Iran? Not even 1%, yet Hzb fired 40-50 rockets daily for months until ceasefire happened. Even during ceasefire, israil daily bombarded ammunition and missile stores as per their claim, not even few hours and hzb is back to firing rockets, drones with same speed.

Israil has advantage of quick response time, constant drone surveillance, higher land vs aircraft ratio...


How long US can sustain air campaign as close by bases are disfunctional and they have to bring jets from israil using airbridge. IR taking down hermes and mq9 at such good speed, surrounding radars and surveillance are hurt, not many options left fror Pedos. Iran has to fire 15-20 missiles daily at enemy for sometime and that will be ok considering their circumstamces.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Iranian Frigate IRNS Dena was part of 3 Iranian vessles that had visited India as part of an International fleet review.
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The frigate had left India and was returning to Iran when it was attacked in International waters off the cost of Sri Lanka.

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cost will be paid by Pak.!

they will blackmail us now with any return they will get from the USA!

this so EFFFFFing hypocritical mother man!

 

[RescueRanger]

Sources close to the Democrats in the Senate: US War Powers resolution (powers to stop Trump from war in Iran) are not likely to pass. Source:CNN

 

[M. Sarmad]

it is their choices that have brought Iran to where it is today. Where it goes from here remains to be seen.

It depends on perspective...

Beyond sectarian lines and geopolitical chessboards, many Muslims see Iran as standing where it it must... refusing to bow to the Taghut/forces of evil.... facing a far stronger force, fully aware that defeat or death may follow...

This is not mere politics but echo the lingering pulse of Battle of Karbala, where the measure of a stand is not victory, but the refusal to kneel to Evil ...

 

[Ali_Baba]

Sources close to the Democrats in the Senate: US War Powers resolution (powers to stop Trump from war in Iran) are not likely to pass. Source:CNN

Then this can only be interpreted as an approval by the Senate for the war.

 

[Pak-Warrior]

That is the dilemma, isn't it?

If you only attack Israel and US assets in the region, that amounts to not much because, at the end of the day, they can withstand more than Iran can deal with. Especially the US, as it was untouched by this, you may destroy a few bases here and there, but it's not something they can't rebuild.

Spreading it out and hitting everyone, which is what the Iranian doing now, would mean you spread out the damage, the area increase as the intensity decrease, because you only have a finite amount of missile and drone and if you have more target to hit, that may or may not have any direct impact on the war, that mean the damage intensity is spreading out.

So if Iran wants to win, it can't win by attacking everyone, because that will be like Nazi Germany bombing civilian targets in London instead of military targets. The US and Israel would be glad if Iran kept on doing what it is doing. After all, the damage was shared equally; it didn't hurt them that much. On the other hand, if Iran focuses on US and Israel asset in the area, can they really set the American and IDF back? Very likely to be a no, in fact, it will open Iran more on the attack, remember the majority of the stuff the US sent is with 5th Fleet, now anchor outside Israel at the Mediterranean, but that's not the only US asset in the area, Diego Garcia was not use (as the UK not allowing them to) and the 3rd Fleet and 6th Fleet was not used. No US assets are coming from the South into the Strait of Hormuz, so it would not be good if Iran focuses on all the targets going North.

On the other hand, I don't think Trump care about American casualties at all......

Well US and its allies may run out of interceptors even before Iran runs out of BMs. Even if Iran does run out of BMs, they can endlessly produce the killer drones. Those are not very complex or expensive but they can keep US forces out of their bases indefinitely, disrupt entire oil supply, reduce US interests and personal presence in the region and can end the war on Iran's terms.

The cost of war, ammunition, allies pressure, US investments, interests in region, US consulates, embassies, CIA stations in whole of the region is on stand still. Even US companies like Amazon were targeted. US do not have time with itself. Its warships which have exhausted their missiles can't even reload at sea. Iran has time with itself. All that noise of regime change, cutting head of the snake, communication jamming, EW and what not as per US / Israeli statements seems to have not much effect over Iran. US was hoping a quick action by first massive strikes to subdue Iran but they have no solution now. What they really wanted to achieve? Make Iran less of a threat by regime change ? or by finishing its offensive capabilities? Well, Iran's regime is going nowhere and it has become and will become even bigger of a threat then it ever was. Whenver its over, they will prepare for next confrontation with even more determination and furiosity.

Iran has built itself with this kind of war. It has enormous stamina to absorb bombing campaigns. It's command structure is decentralized that's why they are able to hit back so hard at such wide scale without even blinking. US spectacularly failed to eliminate Taliban in 20 years and Trump thinks it can remove IRGC ? Its not South America.

 

[dbc]

important question to Americans here:

would media led by Murdochs (and now Media is owned by Larry owner of SQL), allow news of body bags arrival?

or

would media allow, news of US soldiers, who sadly have lost lives in action!


I doubt, the would ever allows such news to come out!

or any such news will be withheld and presented as 'stale'

Stupid question, US combat fatalities can't be hidden indefinitely. Especially not when the next of kin are notified or remains are returned to them. Notifications can be delayed on one pretext or the other but not for very long.

 

[RescueRanger]

Then this can only be interpreted as an approval by the Senate for the war.

Democrats don't have enough votes they would need 5/6 anti trump Republicans to even get it into Congress.

 

[j_hungary]

There where you said that you will not abandon bases in gulf, how else you will come back in those unless you win?

Huh? First of all, I am not aware that we are "exiting" from those bases to begin with; Fifth Fleet Fleet Support Activities are still in Bahrain, and CENTCOM is still at Al Udeid.

Secondly, even if we had left, why can we only come back if we won? And we can't come back if we "lose" I am sorry, I don't realise Iran win by occupying Qatar or Bahrain.......

 

[mulj]

The U.S is getting desperate, calling on the Iranian people, the Kurds ANYBODY to do the job for them. And everybody saving nah, we’re currently not interested. This is the problem when you are so throughly detested that even turncoats and rebels telly you to EF off. Iran just needs to play its card right. Iran will win.

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I am bookmarking this. Iran may not have a proper airforce, but completely uncontested will still be a challenge.

These are full of shit just extended propaganda, they have air superiority from day one for their air planes.

 

[Comandante]

What air defence threat?

"Air threat" means that they can't be sure that the air defenses are down. Although it could become active at any time, and then their planes would be shot down. Iran still has air defenses that are undetectable.

 

[RescueRanger]

"Air threat" means that they can't be sure that the air defenses are down. Although it could become active at any time, and then their planes would be shot down. Iran still has air defenses that are undetectable.

Okay.

 

[mulj]

Huh? First of all, I am not aware that we are "exiting" from those bases to begin with; Fifth Fleet Fleet Support Activities are still in Bahrain, and CENTCOM is still at Al Udeid.

Secondly, even if we had left, why can we only come back if we won? I am sorry, I don't realise Iran win by occupying Qatar or Bahrain.......

Sorry, i was under impression that those are evacuated completely. Good for Iran they are not then as those are easy targets until obliteration.
Because Iran will impose peace conditions as winning party?

 

[Hayabusa]

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