Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[RescueRanger]

EU navies on the move to Cyprus:

European countries send naval assets to Cyprus in wake of drone attack
⁠Italy, Spain, France and the Netherlands are sending naval assets ⁠to Cyprus to protect the island in the coming days, Italian ‌Defence Minister Guido Crosetto has told parliament.

Spain’s defence ministry said in a statement that Madrid would send a frigate. Greece and France said they would send assets to the island after a British air base there was targeted with an Iranian-made drone on Monday.

 

[Rehan]

Calm the F down brother. Iran is winning the war. In 6 months time, America wont have any bases in the middle east and Iran will control the price of oil in the region. Winning a war isnt about how many strikes you put on the enemy or how many buildings you destroyed. These are tactical factors, on the strategic end America will lose since its an assymetric conflict. Which in simpleton terms means, when the bullet I use against you costs 5 cents and yours cost 500 and takes 10 times longer to produce, you cant win a war with me...

good food for thought but reality is different
Things aren't going in Iran way
US & Israel didn't suffer any losses

 

[mulj]

This is concerning.

Azerbaijan is a brotherly and fraternal nation that always stands by us. I hope this damage was the last of it.

i guess it is wonder of the world that they have brotherly relations with israel and pakistane at the same time.

 

[LeonBlack08]

I still can't figure out what Trump's and Netanyahu's endgame is. Especially after they had sunk the Frigate Dena yesterday.

If the goal is to neutralise Iranian nuclear capability, or general uprising requirement, they don't need to touch any of those frigates, and yet, they have sunk 3 of 4 of the Iranian newest frigates. (Sahand and Jamaran were sunk on Feb 28, and Dena was sunk yesterday on the 4th) And they were intentionally targeted because Sahand was sunk when it was moored, and Dena was even outside their AO.

Why are they targeting those frigates? Those aren't Anti-Air, it won't do shit on fighter/bomber or missile interception. And they aren't launching anything from the Area where those frigates operate, the US fleet was moored near Israel.......That sinking is doing something there, I don't quite get what they were trying to do......

The endgame is to weaken Iran to the point it no longer is a threat to Israel.

They will leave after the region engulfs in chaos, potentially leading to balkanization or Iran. Israel will continue occasional air strikes every few months to destroy any attempt to rebuild. Essentially turning Iran into Somalia, before they move on to Israel's next threat

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Yep, the only few things going for Iran in this war, is that:

• The current system of Govt has not collapsed
• There is slight success in deterring the Gulf countries from helping the US
• There is some success in blocking Hormuz.

Other than that, US and israel are pretty much attacking Iran uncontested with maximum of 25 or so civilian + military losses at most. Gulf countries as well as israel seem to be intercepting Iranian attacks as usual despite several occasions where everyone thought their interceptors are low/running out. None of them seem to be in a particular worry about interceptors, either.

not much to show for either side, it seems!

USA is using all of its power without any significant progress.

if it takes more than 30 days with this much air power (which BTW here on this forum Americans believe, is the most sophisticated on this planet), then, whats its practicality:

1. by 30 days it will cost billions of $
(important point, replacement cost of these bombs is in numbers, which have'nt been estimated yet!)

2. 30 days bombing with bases all over the ME!
(how its that a air superiority?! did i miss something?!)

 

[RescueRanger]

i guess it is wonder of the world that they have brotherly relations with israel and pakistane at the same time.

They are our traditional ally who's tood with us in 2025. Who stood with us then?

We will look after our own self interests FIRST!

 

[sharreman10]

good food for thought but reality is different
Things aren't going in Iran way
US & Israel didn't suffer any losses

You still miss his point.

 

[StrategicBear]

Iran attacking all neighbors is smart actually. Those countries are using their territory to host US Bases. And China and Russia won't help directly. Cornered, it merely lashes out at all so that the pressure is on Iran's "allies" to come mediate. The strategy is solid. Iran may be fighting alone against 2 modern militaries, but if they go down they will take everyone else down with them.

 

[RescueRanger]

The endgame is to weaken Iran to the point it no longer is a threat to Israel.

They will leave after the region engulfs in chaos, potentially leading to balkanization or Iran. Israel will continue occasional air strikes every few months to destroy any attempt to rebuild. Essentially turning Iran into Somalia, before they move on to Israel's next threat

Brilliant rebuke. Thank you so much for taking the time to compose a sane post.

 

[That_Guy]

You should really do little bit of more research before you get so confident.

This isn't Hollywood.

 

[SteppeWolff]

i guess it is wonder of the world that they have brotherly relations with israel and pakistane at the same time.

They have done what needed to be done to ensure their survival and achieve their strategic goals.

Iran should have made allies in its region too and we wouldn't be seeing this kind of destruction. Im saying this as an Iranian nation's wellwisher.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Though, nobody is developing nukes anymore. That window is long gone. the last ones to do so, started their programs in the 1970s or 1980s (either Pakistan or North Korea were the last ones to start, as some say NK started in 70s).

Anyone that even thinks about them, will be sanctioned and eventually attacked. Whoever made them, made them. Other countries can make alliances with them, but that's about it, now. In a way 1971 was probably a blessing in disguise for Pakistan as it pushed us to develop the program, else we'd have been sitting with nothing in hand today, as well.

Well whatever the means...
...it would push all countries to look for nukes...even if it is in the form of alliances.

IF...for example KSA pours in money...and Turkey shares tech/JV with Pakistan to develop SSBNs and SLBMs...
...while Pak contributes its nukes(increased amount of nuclear warheads to cover the other countries) to give a guaranteed nuclear second strike umbrella to KSA and Turkey...
...and IF the other window of self development of nukes is shut...well then this blueprint would be what other countries would rush to.

IMO this is even riskier and gets the world close to midnight(if u r familiar with that concept from the cold war era). A country developing nukes ...is a country developing nukes. The risk involved is of that specific country's geopolitical challenges(enemies, interests, redlines, etc). When the nukes are acquired through a nuclear umbrella and alliances of mutual defense...then one flashpoint among any members draws in a bunch of countries and could lead to a world war...
...just like how we saw an insignificant country in the Balkans drew in world powers leading to a World War...just imagine that chaos of entangled alliances and competing interests except with nukes involved in the mix.

 

[mulj]

They are our traditional ally who's tood with us in 2025. Who stood with us then?

We will look after our own self interests FIRST!

I get that and it is all fine but make no mistake in some potential scenario where you are in conflict with israel you would see to whome they are real brothers in a moment.

 

[RescueRanger]

I get that and it is all fine but make no mistake in some potential scenario where you are in conflict with israel you would see to whome they are real brothers in a moment.

We know who our brothers are. Just don't insult nations unnecessarily. Final warning

 

[That_Guy]

I like Mufti Menk overall and I think he is the exception however these high profile internet "scholars" and influencers , eg Yasir Qadhi, have been putting out very mixed messages since last week. Their objectives seem to be muddying the waters and appeasing the Gulf. These same scholars and influencers were mostly silent on Gaza as well.

They get a ton of money from the monarchies of the middle east, so of course they'll remain silent.

I like Menk as well, but because of the money, he can be completely tone deaf.