Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[SteppeWolff]

i guess it is wonder of the world that they have brotherly relations with israel and pakistane at the same time.

They have done what needed to be done to ensure their survival and achieve their strategic goals.

Iran should have made allies in its region too and we wouldn't be seeing this kind of destruction. Im saying this as an Iranian nation's wellwisher.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Though, nobody is developing nukes anymore. That window is long gone. the last ones to do so, started their programs in the 1970s or 1980s (either Pakistan or North Korea were the last ones to start, as some say NK started in 70s).

Anyone that even thinks about them, will be sanctioned and eventually attacked. Whoever made them, made them. Other countries can make alliances with them, but that's about it, now. In a way 1971 was probably a blessing in disguise for Pakistan as it pushed us to develop the program, else we'd have been sitting with nothing in hand today, as well.

Well whatever the means...
...it would push all countries to look for nukes...even if it is in the form of alliances.

IF...for example KSA pours in money...and Turkey shares tech/JV with Pakistan to develop SSBNs and SLBMs...
...while Pak contributes its nukes(increased amount of nuclear warheads to cover the other countries) to give a guaranteed nuclear second strike umbrella to KSA and Turkey...
...and IF the other window of self development of nukes is shut...well then this blueprint would be what other countries would rush to.

IMO this is even riskier and gets the world close to midnight(if u r familiar with that concept from the cold war era). A country developing nukes ...is a country developing nukes. The risk involved is of that specific country's geopolitical challenges(enemies, interests, redlines, etc). When the nukes are acquired through a nuclear umbrella and alliances of mutual defense...then one flashpoint among any members draws in a bunch of countries and could lead to a world war...
...just like how we saw an insignificant country in the Balkans drew in world powers leading to a World War...just imagine that chaos of entangled alliances and competing interests except with nukes involved in the mix.

 

[mulj]

They are our traditional ally who's tood with us in 2025. Who stood with us then?

We will look after our own self interests FIRST!

I get that and it is all fine but make no mistake in some potential scenario where you are in conflict with israel you would see to whome they are real brothers in a moment.

 

[RescueRanger]

I get that and it is all fine but make no mistake in some potential scenario where you are in conflict with israel you would see to whome they are real brothers in a moment.

We know who our brothers are. Just don't insult nations unnecessarily. Final warning

 

[That_Guy]

I like Mufti Menk overall and I think he is the exception however these high profile internet "scholars" and influencers , eg Yasir Qadhi, have been putting out very mixed messages since last week. Their objectives seem to be muddying the waters and appeasing the Gulf. These same scholars and influencers were mostly silent on Gaza as well.

They get a ton of money from the monarchies of the middle east, so of course they'll remain silent.

I like Menk as well, but because of the money, he can be completely tone deaf.

 

[maxpane]

Residential areas near US Embassy has been evacuated pre-dawn today.

I just heard the loudest explosion sounds till date, since the start of conflict.

7 -10 explosions happened in last 1 hour

stay safe brother

 

[RocketLaw]

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I hope situation should be calm down instead of escalation.

I don’t know why Twitter added extra tweets under each video. Sorry, man!

 

[RescueRanger]

6 injured by falling debris after drones intercepted by air defence over Abu Dhabi
Six people have been injured by falling debris from drones that were successfully intercepted by air defence systems over Abu Dhabi, the emirate’s media office says.

In a post on its X account, the office said authorities had responded to debris falling in two locations in the ICAD 2 district.

 

[Flotilla]

Very disappointing so far not seeing much damage to Israel while 1000 Iranians already died from enemy bombings...

Expectation : Russia and China has supplied Iran with many new air defense systems including counter-stealth radars and even some AWACS, J-10s and Su-35s, allowing Iran to easily detect and engage enemy planes

Actual Reality : The same old shitz of Iran not being able to do anything against Israeli Air Power. This is the same old script since the Arab-Israeli Wars when it was the Sunni's shot at defeating Israel before they all lost many times due to not having Air Superiority and then giving up to now pass the baton to Shiites. I read back in Arab-Israeli Wars about how all Muslim lost in Air Power so easily to the Zionists.

Solution : I'm born Muslim, so naturally I want my side to become the winning team. It's for my self-esteem and self-confidence that I want IRAN to win here because I've been exposed to Anti-Islam content everyday on X from both Westerners and Japs, so I have been feeling down for a long time. Come one man, somebody needs to hand us Muslims a big victory just like the good old times of Saladin and Sultan Mehmet. So who's going to grant Iran this victory?
They should have negotiated better than to boast about winning wars when the results so far are not what I expected it to be with not much enemy planes shot down.

I have bitter feelings also, my friend about this fanatic war promoted by the darkest powers on earth.
But be calm. Irán even if it is not capable of launching high number of ballistic missiles are really hardened people. They need just to sit down and erode the military stocks and after months they will reach a dead end street.

Irán won´t give up in his nuclear program. Missile factories will be rebuild in weeks and Government day after day is being cemented in power.

That means that all three goals of the Israeli-US promoted war will fail.

 

[Xerxes22]

good food for thought but reality is different
Things aren't going in Iran way
US & Israel didn't suffer any losses

its not dignified for me to respond to such crude laughable nonsense.

 

[Musings]

re American Sub attack on Iranian ship in the international waters.
the ex Indian military officer and now a commentator and military analyst Pravin Sawhney is critical of India.

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Hope this time it registers with the Iranian hierarchy. Never to be trusted..............

 

[Flotilla]

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I hope situation should be calm down instead of escalation

IMO Arash 2.

 

[hussain0216]

Calm the F down brother. Iran is winning the war. In 6 months time, America wont have any bases in the middle east and Iran will control the price of oil in the region. Winning a war isnt about how many strikes you put on the enemy or how many buildings you destroyed. These are tactical factors, on the strategic end America will lose since its an assymetric conflict. Which in simpleton terms means, when the bullet I use against you costs 5 cents and yours cost 500 and takes 10 times longer to produce, you cant win a war with me...

Absolutely

This will be painful for iran, I was always going to be and their is no way out of that or around that

But the fundamentals are the same, a 93 million large state, with no invasion force at its door


It will take repeated hits that will be made into propaganda


But if iran can retain its ability to fire drones and missiles and drags this war out then it can hit any infrastructure or U.S bases and Israel in the region

We are on Day 5, this is going to be much longer



This is all about how much missiles Iran can produce under fire and how much they can retain to be fired in the future


In the end their will be no winners, BUT if Iran can wipe out the U.S presence in the region
If it can destroy their embassy and intelligence infrastructure
If it can both punish U.S allies and teach them the U.S is a risk that only cares about Israel and is extremist Christian state

Then the geo strategic reality of thee region has been rewritten


This is yet and stupid American war and everyone knows it

 

[codeforfood]

And bring the UK and EU into the fold?? That's not going to be a good option...

Oh man I am not talking about a good or bad option I am talking about how and why someone would think that way.

 

[Musings]

good food for thought but reality is different
Things aren't going in Iran way
US & Israel didn't suffer any losses

You dont see the Americans and Israeli admitting to losses?
In war and conflict no one admits to their actual losses. Its always an exaggeration or an understatement - depending what side you are on.
For you to make a statement above raises my eyebrows to what your actual agenda is. I check and realize too that you have 2 accounts pakistankhan? Any specific reason as thats against forum rules - good food for thought.