Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[Serendipity]

What stupidity to announce all this, scoring cheap points for himself while the war is ongoing! By all means, quietly engage in deflationary activities - that is your job and will bring reward in and of itself - but announcing it will draw unnecessary attention upon yourself and your government.

When will we learn to maintain OPERATIONAL SECRECY and CHANAKIYA as genuine weapons of informational warfare, instead of this Bollywoodised attention seeking culture that pervades our cranial matter.

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Must say its interesting to see someone quoting Kautilya. To think that Taxilla had a University way back then.

That much said public signaling is sometimes about counterbalancing. This message actually may have been to course correct the impression Khwaja Asif was creating. Though often it seems our diplomats are not as cerebral as we suspect.

 

[Serendipity]

There is also a simple matter of manufacturing the red line upon which either side can invoke the treaty. Im each sides interrst is for them not be invocable at pow threshold, but being able to invoke at low threshold.

I am sure thr militaries knows the real red lines far better than us amateurs though.

 

[030292]

Pakistan should use its intelligence resources to find the source of attacks coming towards ksa, they maybe zionist/jeet false flags to test this strategic defence treaty in its infancy.

 

[r3alist]

The Saudi's got caught yesterday allowing USAF F35's over their airspace. They were lying to Iran.

So, did Pakistan help deliver a message also that they were not honoring their commitments and we are here for you, but what the hell are you doing ??

Will there also now with this talk, be an actual behavioral change from Saudi where they will "honor" the commitments that they made to Iran on now allowing their airspace to be used ?

But what can Saudi really do at this stage?

That's the point that once you have consistent military corporation you cannot undo this in one day



The only difference is if the Saudis start to see iran's attack in their interest as well, which is a bit of a head spinner

There is also a simple matter of manufacturing the red line upon which either side can invoke the treaty. Im each sides interrst is for them not be invocable at pow threshold, but being able to invoke at low threshold.

I am sure thr militaries knows the real red lines far better than us amateurs though.

The talk about the treaty is just an Indian talking point, no one else is considering it relevant

Saudi has not declared war and this is an American Israeli war

Agreements and existing America Saudi frameworks is what is dictating Saudis involvement

If you notice the wording it is saying that when one is under aggression the other will also consider the same.

In this context Pakistan also has an interest in Saudi not being excessively attacked hence the diplomacy makes sense in that light

The treaty does not outline what exactly should happen therefore diplomacy and messaging seems to me appropriate

 

[Serendipity]

But what can Saudi really do at this stage?

That's the point that once you have consistent military corporation you cannot undo this in one day



The only difference is if the Saudis start to see iran's attack in their interest as well, which is a bit of a head spinner



The talk about the treaty is just an Indian talking point, no one else is considering it relevant

Saudi has not declared war and this is an American Israeli war

Agreements and existing America Saudi frameworks is what is dictating Saudis involvement

If you notice the wording it is saying that when one is under aggression the other will also consider the same.

In this context Pakistan also has an interest in Saudi not being excessively attacked hence the diplomacy makes sense in that light

The treaty does not outline what exactly should happen therefore diplomacy and messaging seems to me appropriate

I agree with you. Since the Saudis themselves are not declaring war and mounting an offensive any question of Pakistan getting involved, beyond deterrent signaling, is exaggerated and unfair.

The equation may change if Saudi launches an offensive. Until that time the treaty is not relevant to the equation. To be honest, it is more likely the treaty is specific to Israili aggression on Saudi, as clearly for any conflict with Iran there are countless other malicious third parties happy to enter to hate fray.

 

[Distant_Observer]

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[LeGenD]

Saudi foreign policy has been to participate in every American war and intrigue in the region going back at least 50 years. This includes participating in the Iran-Iraq war in 1980s by funding Saddam Hussein.

Saudis have again provided airspace, land, radar and logistical support for the latest American/Israeli war in the region, now on Iran. Additionally Saudis engaged in prewar chicanery, pretending to be publicly against the attack while privately lobbying for it.

The fact that Iran is only attacking American assets in Saudi Arabia, means the Saudis are getting off easy once again. But it should be clear that Saudi Arabia is no innocent party, none of the GCC are.

I am more concerned about the idiotic defense pact which Pakistan rushed to sign with the Saudi snakes, because of which it will now be pulled into this war.

Bro, Iraq is a multi-ethnic society where 3 large factions such as Shia, Sunni and Kurd have internal tensions. The Iranian revolution was not a local movement but a transnational Shiite Islamic movement. It posit a threat to Saddam regime.

By 1978 the whole Shii community of Iraq was still seething with anger and frustrations as Khomeini was forced to leave Najaf. His perception on the question of power and authority in Islam, and the affinity and sympathy he enjoyed with the activist tendency in Najaf must have left no doubt about their cause being one and the same. Conversely, his subsequent success and dramatic return to Teheran following the collapse of the Shah's regime a year later could not but be a fillip to his Iraqi contemporaries. Khomeini's example must be followed and emulated. The Da'wa Party became bold and much more active through its clandestine publication of its mouthpiece Sawt al-Da'wa. Al-Sadr felt so confident as to issue afatwa against membership of the Baath Party, reminiscent of al-Hakim's edict against the communists. It was his response to Saddam's assumption of the presidency and the rank of a Field-Marshal, and his claim to be a direct descendant of Imam Ali. As relations with the newly established Khomeini regime began to deteriorate with calls emanating from Teheran for the overthrow of the Baathist regime and skirmishes across the border, Saddam could no longer tolerate al-Sadr or his Da'wa Party. War had to be waged against them. In April 1980, following an attempt on the life of Tariq Aziz, one of Saddam's closest associates, for which al-Da'wa was held responsible, al-Sadr was arrested with a number of his supporters, including his sister, Bint al-Huda. A week later he was executed, reportedly along with his sister. The executions, followed by a fresh wave of deportation of some 100,000 dispossessed Shiis to Iran, placed the whole community in Iraq under a stage of siege. These moves also marked an escalation of the confrontation with Iran and made war inevitable.

Kelidar, A. (1992). The Wars of Saddam Hussein. Middle Eastern Studies, 28(4), 778-798.

Read that article, it is an eye-opener. Saddam Hussein was nuts and it is understandable why so many hated him but he was promoting pan-Arabism that appealed to Arab Monarchies in the Middle East. Saddam's pan-Arabism and Ruhollah Khomeini's pan-Islamism came to a head in 1980 and set the stage for the Iran - Iraq War that continued till 1988. The Arab Monarchies in the Gulf countries supported Saddam regime in that conflict. But the Iran - Iraq War left both countries in financial ruin and Iraq requested Kuwait to write-off its debt only to be rebuffed and Saddam regime decided to annex Kuwait in 1990. This move alienated Saddam's pan-Arab support base in the Middle East and set the stage for the Persian Gulf War in 1991 in which the US-led forces liberated Kuwait from Iraq and crippled Iraqi military capability. This experience convinced the Gulf countries to support the US as it was the only force that could keep Iraq and Iran under check. However, regime change operation in Iraq in 2003 re-ignited tensions between Iraqi factions and Ali Khamenei saw an opening to fulfill Ruhollah Khomeini's vision. War in Iraq spread to Syria and made it possible for Iran to expand its influence in both countries. From there, Iran offered support to Hamas in Gaza. Iran also checkmated Saudi-led coalition in Yemen by supporting the Houthi movement there. The Gulf countries were understandably spooked. The ISIL movement in Iraq and Syria was a bad bet so the US-led forces focused on dismantling it. However, Hamas attacked Israel in 2023 and sparked another devastating war in the region that led to destruction of Gaza, collapse of the Assad regime in Syria, numerous strikes on the Iran-led axis of resistance elements across the Middle East and have now expanded to Iran itself. The US - Israel duo are now employing overwhelming firepower to cripple the Iran-led axis of resistance and potentially reshape Iranian political landscape. The Gulf countries stand to gain from this development. They have their reasons.

There is so much divide in Islamic lands on political grounds shaped by theological and cultural inputs. It is mind boggling. Perhaps now different countries in the Middle East will learn to co-exist and stop creating problems for each other?

 

[BeingHuman]

Pak afghan war started first so let them help there first

 

[Jango]

Pak afghan war started first so let them help there first

Aren't they already? The sole reason we are afloat right now is because of loan deposits which are now getting rolled over monthly, and deferred payments for oil cargoes. That is what we require from them, marnay dharnay wala kaam ham waisay hi acha kar lete hain. Don't need Arabs for that.

 

[KingQamaR]

There is always money behind every statement concerning Saudis. The Pakistanis doesn’t need Saudis, Saudis needs the Pakistan. Without Pakistan Saudis are in big trouble .

 

[r3alist]

I agree with you. Since the Saudis themselves are not declaring war and mounting an offensive any question of Pakistan getting involved, beyond deterrent signaling, is exaggerated and unfair.

The equation may change if Saudi launches an offensive. Until that time the treaty is not relevant to the equation. To be honest, it is more likely the treaty is specific to Israili aggression on Saudi, as clearly for any conflict with Iran there are countless other malicious third parties happy to enter to hate fray.

This is fundamentally an Indian talking point in their own echo chamber

I cannot understand this act of self retardation

There is not a single third party observer who is bringing this up

It's like everyone just thinks India and Pakistan being India and Pakistan again

Indians want a reaction to their ways

Right now if India was even a medium power they would have a lot more to say. They have quietly accepted the Israeli partnership

If you watch this discussion suddenly the Indians have remembered that America can be a bit racist and they are not immune, but they say nothing much about Israel

In that sense India have moved to position itself more with Israel

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[Owaiz]

First deaths from Iranian attacks on Saudi Arabia reported a few hours ago. Lumber one duffers were celebrating when this pact was signed, but this will turn out to one of the greatest strategic blunders in the history of Pakistan. It was probably part of the Zio-Crusaudi plan all along.

 

[Yasser76]

Not even one sentence of condemnation for Taliban, the mutual defense pact is aging like milk

We love Indians jumping in and desperately seeking some bread of comfort with Pak - Saudi relations. Cope harder. Saudis pressured Talibs

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/taliban-frees-three-pakistani-soldiers-saudi-mediated-move-2026-02-17/

 

[Yasser76]

Not even one sentence of condemnation for Taliban, the mutual defense pact is aging like milk

COPE HARDER AND HARDER

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[Yasser76]

Mediation isn't a condemnation.
Absence of condemnation & active mediation means that Saudis don't see Taliban's actions as irrational as Pakistan may want them to.

Just after the hidden PoWs were released, Pakistan started a war. I don't think the gesture by Afghanistan and it's effect on Pakistan was lost on Saudis.

You go with your wishful thinking, i will go with Saudi helping release Pak troops. That is what allies do.

Statement of Saudi officials speak for themselves. you are not actually adding anything here. Just a desperate trolling attempt that is failing....badly....