Operation Ghazab Lil Haq (Pakistan - Afghanistan War)

[Dalit]

Pleas of Afghans for naturalisation certificate declared premature

PHC rules petitioners should first avail departmental remedy.

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Pleas of Afghans rejected

Why don't they go to India?

 

[313Ghazi]

‘Starve them’ ?!? Easy there brother… I don’t like harmkhors too but…
Rasool Pak (pbuh) has given us ‘rules of war’ to fight with… we don’t rage fight like animals - we fight with unity faith and discipline (Jinnah was genius to distill a 3 word pillar on this), what would be a difference between us and them then?

Temper your rage and channel it to your intelligence

We're not obliged to give them access to anything. They have a border with Iran, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.

Siege tactics include stopping the flow of essentials into an area. All the great Muslim armies deployed this tactic.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

We're not obliged to give them access to anything. They have a border with Iran, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.

Siege tactics include stopping the flow of essentials into an area. All the great Muslim armies deployed this tactic.

Seige tactics till surrender would work well on Afghanistan ngl besides usual warfighting efforts. Especially considering it will bring some much needed clarity to a radicalised people. Lack of food and essentials makes you rethink poking others.

 

[iron shrapnel]

This is why there is no point in speaking to these lot, they simply don't see the TTP as problematic but rather than holy warriors out to destroy evil Pakistan.

The prick thinks he's some Napoleon while trying to gaslight us with the the same tricks... At the pace PAF is going they should lose 60 to 70 percent of their fighting ability. Then we'll see who is laughing... Dividing Northern and Southern Afghanistan should also be on the books then... This will be a long project no doubt but a necessary one, if TTA wants to be the king of rubble then let's give them a mountain of it.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

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Today sucide bomber was not women but bacha of taliban commander

 

[Distant_Observer]

When are they going to start hunting TTA and their families?

They are using human shields. Just flatten the villages they are hiding in.

 

[iron shrapnel]

When are they going to start hunting TTA and their families?

They are using human shields. Just flatten the villages they are hiding in.

Why level them when we can destroy their support systems and the people burn them alive... At least that's what it looks like to me for now...

 

[Blain2]

Taking a step back, let's realize there has been a massive drop in the number of attacks inside Pakistan. This means the strategy to take the offensive inside Afghanistan is working. The Taliban terrorists still have sleeper cells inside Pakistan being hosted by our own tribal and KPK people (which is a betrayal of Pakistan by these people and they should be taken to task for it) and they will be able to do some damage. But the punishment being meted out inside of Afghanistan is having an effect.

The one concern is that our network on the ground inside Afghanistan has not been able to eliminate any Taliban personalities of import. They are losing cannon fodder on the ground but the orchestrators are still in place. Unless these bastards are disrupted, the current policy to continue terrorism inside Pakistan will continue.

By way of contrast, one can see how the Israelis have operated against Irani/Hizbollah leadership. They did the ground-work and devastated the key personalities. Pakistan's operations seem to be focused on the tactical. Whether this is by design or on account of a lack of network inside Afghanistan remains to be seen but the cannon fodder can and will be replaced. Posts will be reconstructed etc.

So providing a daily count of posts destroyed and Taliban terrorists neutralized every day is the same exercise as counting the IBOs and these have limited efficacy. The focus needs to be on the outcomes achieved instead of "activities" undertaken.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Taking a step back, let's realize there has been a massive drop in the number of attacks inside Pakistan. This means the strategy to take the offensive inside Afghanistan is working. The Taliban terrorists still have sleeper cells inside Pakistan being hosted by our own tribal and KPK people (which is a betrayal of Pakistan by these people and they should be taken to task for it) and they will be able to do some damage. But the punishment being meted out inside of Afghanistan is having an effect.

The one concern is that our network on the ground inside Afghanistan has not been able to eliminate any Taliban personalities of import. They are losing cannon fodder on the ground but the orchestrators who have sold their souls to their new imaam Modi are still in place. Unless these bastards are disrupted, the current policy will continue.

By way of contrast, one can see how the Israelis have operated against Irani/Hizbollah leadership. They did the ground-work and devastated the key personalities. Pakistan's operations seem to be focused on the tactical. Whether this is by design or on account of a lack of network inside Afghanistan remains to be seen but the cannon fodder can and will be replaced. Posts will be reconstructed etc.

So providing a daily count of posts destroyed and Taliban terrorists neutralized every day is the same exercise as counting the IBOs and these have limited efficacy. The focus needs to be on the outcomes instead of the "activities".

very difficult position for Pak.


I'd bomb them enough to force them into truce (for now)

 

[Blain2]

very difficult position for Pak.


I'd bomb them enough to force them into truce (for now)

Bombing has limits. Hurting their key leadership is what we need to focus on.

 

[Ibbi32]

Pakistan should start making a precedent that after every IED or suicide attacks, they extract a Tenfold punishment on the Taligoons, make that the new normal….make it so the attacks target the leaders and their properties and wealth they have accumulated.

And after each attack make an
ingression and secure territory, especially wakhan.

Do not annexe it, but hold it and occupy it, and if needs be expand on it.

Make the punishment so unbearable that these cavemen come to their senses

Why wait for attacks? Just bomb them whenever you feel like it. There doesn’t need to be a justification the civilian leadership needs not be involved. Give full control to ground commanders. See taliban? Bomb taliban. And this needs to go on for months if not years for you to see actual results

 

[Oscar]

Taking a step back, let's realize there has been a massive drop in the number of attacks inside Pakistan. This means the strategy to take the offensive inside Afghanistan is working. The Taliban terrorists still have sleeper cells inside Pakistan being hosted by our own tribal and KPK people (which is a betrayal of Pakistan by these people and they should be taken to task for it) and they will be able to do some damage. But the punishment being meted out inside of Afghanistan is having an effect.

The one concern is that our network on the ground inside Afghanistan has not been able to eliminate any Taliban personalities of import. They are losing cannon fodder on the ground but the orchestrators are still in place. Unless these bastards are disrupted, the current policy to continue terrorism inside Pakistan will continue.

By way of contrast, one can see how the Israelis have operated against Irani/Hizbollah leadership. They did the ground-work and devastated the key personalities. Pakistan's operations seem to be focused on the tactical. Whether this is by design or on account of a lack of network inside Afghanistan remains to be seen but the cannon fodder can and will be replaced. Posts will be reconstructed etc.

So providing a daily count of posts destroyed and Taliban terrorists neutralized every day is the same exercise as counting the IBOs and these have limited efficacy. The focus needs to be on the outcomes achieved instead of "activities" undertaken.

Problem is when you have rotating camps that go from
"They are your brothers" Establishment policy post 1994 to try the "ethnic takeover" approach for the area but more so to settle the constant chaos.
"They are our misled brothers" PML(N), PTI, JUI and a large percentage of elements in the establishment
to
"They are Khwaraij" PPP,PML(N) and a large section of the establishment post 2012 and amplified in 2014 post APS.

"They can be saved" PTI, PML(N) and a section of the establishment.
"They are our brothers" Full on PTI messaging fully endorsed by elements of the establishment.

"They are Fitna al Hindustan" messaging by everyone except PTI because they want the Pashtun sympathy vote as well.

The ground-level confusion is real. People in KPK and FATA are caught in these shifting narratives.

The Taliban aren't just some abstract problem. They're a symptom of deeper issues: economic hardship, lack of opportunity, and a political system that doesn't represent the people. The political parties and establishment know this, but they keep playing "today you are my favorite" instead of addressing the root causes.

The folks on the ground are just trying to get by. But with each new policy shift, each new label for the Taliban, it feels like they're being played for fools. It's frustrating, confusing, and ultimately, it's not working.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Problem is when you have rotating camps that go from
"They are your brothers" Establishment policy post 1994 to try the "ethnic takeover" approach for the area but more so to settle the constant chaos.
"They are our misled brothers" PML(N), PTI, JUI and a large percentage of elements in the establishment
to
"They are Khwaraij" PPP,PML(N) and a large section of the establishment post 2012 and amplified in 2014 post APS.

"They can be saved" PTI, PML(N) and a section of the establishment.
"They are our brothers" Full on PTI messaging fully endorsed by elements of the establishment.

"They are Fitna al Hindustan" messaging by everyone except PTI because they want the Pashtun sympathy vote as well.

The ground-level confusion is real. People in KPK and FATA are caught in these shifting narratives.

The Taliban aren't just some abstract problem. They're a symptom of deeper issues: economic hardship, lack of opportunity, and a political system that doesn't represent the people. The political parties and establishment know this, but they keep playing "today you are my favorite" instead of addressing the root causes.

The folks on the ground are just trying to get by. But with each new policy shift, each new label for the Taliban, it feels like they're being played for fools. It's frustrating, confusing, and ultimately, it's not working.

Pro-Taliban propaganda that painted it as a holy group and any narrative that promoted Afghanistan as brothers was a betrayal of Pakistan's national security and a crime against the Pakistani people.

The narrative seems to be largely correcting now but it must be a permanent understanding that the promotion of militant extremism, violent groups vying for influence within Pakistan, or people with hatred for Pakistan and its integrity must never be promoted.

Afghanistan was, and is, an untrustworthy snake, and the Taliban is a violent militant group that serves as an sepaparatist extension of it.

 

[Oscar]

Pro-Taliban propaganda that painted it as a holy group and any narrative that promoted Afghanistan as brothers was a betrayal of Pakistan's national security and a crime against the Pakistani people.

The narrative seems to be largely correcting now but it must be a permanent understanding that the promotion of militant extremism, violent groups vying for influence within Pakistan, or people with hatred for Pakistan and its integrity must never be promoted.

Afghanistan was, and is, an untrustworthy snake, and the Taliban is a violent militant group that serves as an sepaparatist extension of it.

Afghanistan being what it is, you have constantly tried to play a double game (out of sheer "who we are" type mentality) which has used religion(with encouragement from your GCC partners) and even culture of the overall Pasthun ethnicity for what were poor (if "well intentioned") geopolitical objectives.
Until that realization is put into practice and there is an actual effort to both uplift FATA, remove any all ties through a massive concerted means they have with Afghanistan, you cannot achieve anything and more so are in greater danger of ethnic civil war in Pakistan right now compared to Afghanistan which is the 200BC shithole it always was.

 

[Rational Philosopher]

Why have they stopped airstrikes on military infrastructure and resources?

Finish it off entirely and then go for Mullah Yaqoob