Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Fatman17]

 

[Fatman17]

Iran needs to be ready. Make this a disaster for them!

Don't they remember the last time they did that, what happened!!!

 

[Bengal71]

It looks the the Americans will try to land ground troops in the south of Iran and maybe try and take the Khargh Island, possible Bandar Abbas too. Of course they are going to bombard first before the landings to soften the targets. I wonder if Iranian forces have the capacity to withstand a ground assault and expel the American ground troops.

I kind of agree with this guy of his assessment. He has been quite reliable throughout the Russia-Ukraine war.

 

[FUB]

 

[codeforfood]

Hope the Iranians are level headed to realize this is an opportunity to negotiate and bring a stop to all this.

Let’s see if the news is true.

Iranians can try as much negotiations, but Israel won't stop until it finish of. So my suggestion for Iranians would be to continue and also demonstrate that their abilities are not diminishing.

 

[vizier]

Iran needs to be ready. Make this special operation a disaster for them to remember!

It would be a disaster for helicopters with well camouflaged manpads. infrared blocker blankets can be used. Camouflaged Machine gun nests would also work against paratroopers while they are landing.

 

[codeforfood]

I believe it is the overwhelming force, and supply chain and resources. Granted Iran is one dimensional in defense. but the new warfare drones have a very very important role. Just imagine if Iran can match the scale to at least some degree in other dimensions...

 

[clutch]

Hope the Iranians are level headed to realize this is an opportunity to negotiate and bring a stop to all this.

Let’s see if the news is true.

The victim has to be level headed or the murderers?

 

[BeingHuman]

Here we go ..................

When, where and how? Can someone answer these questions please! @Persian Gulf

 

[Fatman17]

1. They still have proxies like Hezbollah, Iraqi Resistance and Houthis. And building drones and launching them doesn't require as much infrastructure as missiles, so they'll switch to suicide drones as the main force, perhaps new models with jet engines or turboprop around MACH 1 to make it faster than the usual Shaheds.

2. Infrastructure can be rebuilt. Unless the US is willing to bomb every single day or week to prevent the rebuilding of the infrastructure, you'd eventually need to put boots on the ground to capture territory to deny Iran's ability to produce and rebuild things.

3. And finally, no war can be won just from aerial bombings only on a country the size of Iran. The US intelligence just assumed that they have taken out most of Iran's missiles and launchers, but satelite surveillance and HUMINT can only go so far to find out the real scale of Iran's assets.

Not everything can be discovered just from satelite date as most of the action happens deep underground as Iran has 30+ missile cities and perhaps dozens more underground sites for all sorts of weapons production needs the US still don't know about.

I trust Iranian officials when they said they "prepared for a long war" because Iran is close to Russia and China so they would have gotten sound advice from them on hardening shelters, dispersal, etc , and those underground mountain bases are definitely secure from US bunker busters now, with means to get out from there via tunneling even if entrances are entombed by US bombings.

The proxies are dithering

 

[Proud Thamizhan]

It looks the the Americans will try to land ground troops in the south of Iran and maybe try and take the Khargh Island, possible Bandar Abbas too. Of course they are going to bombard first before the landings to soften the targets. I wonder if Iranian forces have the capacity to withstand a ground assault and expel the American ground troops.

I kind of agree with this guy of his assessment. He has been quite reliable throughout the Russia-Ukraine war.

the only consideration holding back widespread bombings on Iran is the civilian casualty and the unavoidable Gaza like images that will this time attach to Trump. Taking on Iranian troops is probably not a big issue but NOBODY knows what the Iranian people think/want; whether they were subjects of a feared tyrannical regime or do they actually revered the regime of khameni as a religious authority. Trump is left with only one way to find out !
Pahlavi has come off too sleazy so far. His spokesperson on radio interview sounded very shady and anxious.
Trump will try to bluff

 

[Fatman17]

It's Iran that self-imposed the rules in the first place. As I've stated on this thread before, I'm in favor of Preemptive Strikes to take out as many enemy targets as possible before their Air Power can start to diminish Iran's missile launching ability, but Iran just waited for the enemy to assassinate Khamenei before making a move.

If Iran will be fighting a war of this scale then it might as well control the start of the war to win some early victories but they are so conservative not take such bold action. Iran won't be seen as an aggressor if it started first, because the casus belli is there : "The US brought many military forces surrounding my country threatening regime change, so under the UN Charter we are allowed to take action to remove the threat at an opportune timing"

Preemptive strikes with what - Iranian AF is nonexistent

 

[Fatman17]

the only consideration holding back widespread bombings on Iran is the civilian casualty and the unavoidable Gaza like images that will this time attach to Trump. Taking on Iranian troops is probably not a big issue but NOBODY knows what the Iranian people think/want; whether they were subjects of a feared tyrannical regime or do they actually revered the regime of khameni as a religious authority. Trump is left with only one way to find out !
Pahlavi has come off too sleazy so far. His spokesperson on radio interview sounded very shady and anxious.
Trump will try to bluff

Sending troops = suicide

 

[FUB]

So much for the Kurdish card

 

[Fatman17]

Generally true, but I see some differences.
1. I think they focused a lot on eliminating the leadership. Now, it seems it was a good decision, as Iran is fighting the war autonomously without leadership, making it less effective.
2. First few days, the focus was on eliminating missile & drone capacity. They seem to have achieved it as the reports of missile and drone intensity suggest it has come down from day 1.
3. They are focusing now on energy and infrastructure. That should reduce missile and drone capabilities.
4. But I don't think there will be an unconditional surrender or need for it. If the missile and drone capabilities are gone, there is no sense in continuing the war. Trump will be eager to declare victory and go home. He likes quick wins.

Apparently lran has a lot of missiles in stock along with drones. 2500 ++ according to some estimates