Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[RescueRanger]

World news:.No one can enter or leave the strait of Hormuz...

China: Hold my beer!

 

[Pak-Warrior]

they do not understand Iran at all, they thought we were an Arab Sheikhdom ready to submit to their demands and live on our knees for them and for Israel

They do understand Iran is not an arab sheikhdom, hence that war. Otherwise no war was needed. One order would have been enough.

 

[Unknowntruth]

@Persian Gulf
@Falcon29

Do you think this round of fighting will lead to withdrawal of Israeli troops from Lebanon?

I think if Hezbollah can increase the cost and intensity of attacks especially those that result in numerous casualties there is a chance they pull out. This hinges on how long Iran continues to strike Israel and inflict damage. Hopefully this leads to some kind of deterrence. Israel is going to get desperate and try to turn Lebanon into Gaza to put pressure on Hezbollah.

Maybe we see a deal that includes Iran-Hezbollah.

 

[Goenitz]

Gulf Arabs are waking up. Hopefully my prediction here in this thread of Saudi switching sides to form an alliance with Iran against Israel comes true

Lebanon was he UAE of 60s and 70s, Israel racksacked that. UAE is a business and leisure center today. Now, it is getting damaged by Israel's war.

 

[Ali_Baba]

By some estimates that U.S. officials provided to Congress in classified briefings this week, Iran still retains as much as about 50 percent of its missile program, and even more of its drones.

I would take the 50% value with a pinch of salt as they are counting buildings that they hit where they think the program is based but a few few of those buildings would be empty or gutted out before they struck and some buildings would be decoys aswell.

 

[Unknowntruth]

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

I dont think so, FT has ties with MI5 and MI6

Economist, was inspired by famous zio politicians

 

[Reichsmarschall]

 

[Ali_Baba]

At some point there will be negotiations to stop this war, and Iran needs to work out what their price is for that.

Iran should reject any ceasefire as that will be temporary and Israel never honours them anyway. The Iranian FM said as much recently.

Ideally Iran works to allow the Americans to exit the war on their own such that Iran can focus on Israel alone to exact a price. Force apart the attempts of mutual consent that Trump has tried to put in place between Israel and the USA. Separate the USA and Israel as much as possible and deal with them separately.

Iran should insist on all sanctions being permanently removed without any conditions or time limitations etc as part of any exit strategy for the USA. The shorter the time Iran needs to face the USA, the better as they are bringing resources to the table that Israel can never do so.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Japan experiences a triple kill in stocks, bonds, and forex. Reposted from Flavio Marin on LinkedIn:“STRAIT OF HORMUZ BLOCKADE: WHY CHINA WILL NOT BE CONSTRAINEDA Hormuz closure is the scenario Western strategists cite most often when assessing China's energy vulnerability. The data says otherwise. China is prepared. Not partially. Not theoretically. Operationally prepared, right now, across every layer that matters.▌RESERVESChina holds 1.18 billion barrels of crude in onshore storage — a record high — plus five underground Strategic Petroleum Reserve facilities. Against a Hormuz-only supply loss of ~5 Mb/d, that is 236 days of cover. Enough time to execute a full industrial response with months to spare.▌COAL-TO-LIQUIDS: THE STRATEGIC BACKSTOPChina operates the world's largest Coal-to-Liquids complex — the Shenhua Ningxia plant, 100,000 barrels per day of Fischer-Tropsch synthetic fuel. Built in 39 months. With 98.5% domestic equipment. No foreign contractors. No imported gasifiers. Total CTL capacity currently under construction or commissioned: ~240,000 b/d, scaling to 360,000–580,000 b/d by 2030. Under a national emergency mandate, five Ningxia-scale plants can be built concurrently in 3–4 years.▌THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS ALREADY THEREThe Haoji Railway — world's longest heavy-haul coal line, running from Inner Mongolia directly into the Yangtze River basin — operates at 10% of its 200 Mt/year design capacity. The Yangtze provides effectively unlimited process water. Three Gorges Dam runs at partial load, its curtailed gigawatts available on demand. The Changji-Guquan UHVDC line carries 12 GW of Xinjiang power east across 3,324 km — already built, already running.▌DEMAND IS FALLING ANYWAYChina's EV fleet is displacing approximately 600,000 barrels per day of liquid fuel demand every year — and accelerating. The gap that Hormuz closure would open is closing organically, before any emergency measure is required.▌THE VERDICTEvery physical constraint — water, coal transport, product slate, geographic isolation of reserves — resolves when assessed against Chinese infrastructure realities. The Hormuz card, as a mechanism to constrain China, has been structurally neutralised.

Japan is especially vulnerable (economically) edit...
they can least afford a recession and simultaneously carry the keys to US bond prices skyrocketing.
If and when Japan starts going down the global economy will follow, especially the US.

 

[StrategicBear]

At some point there will be negotiations to stop this war, and Iran needs to work out what their price is for that.

Iran should reject any ceasefire as that will be temporary and Israel never honours them anyway. The Iranian FM said as much recently.

Ideally Iran works to allow the Americans to exit the war on their own such that Iran can focus on Israel alone to exact a price. Force apart the attempts of mutual consent that Trump has tried to put in place between Israel and the USA. Separate the USA and Israel as much as possible and deal with them separately.

Iran should insist on all sanctions being permanently removed without any conditions or time limitations etc as part of any exit strategy for the USA. The shorter the time Iran needs to face the USA, the better as they are bringing resources to the table that Israel can never do so.

The exit strategy for the USA all depends on Trump.

Let's see what he'll do. Will he double down and order a ground invasion of Iran(inviting more US soldiers to die when Iran sinks their naval ships), or will he leave Israel to fight Iran alone?(unlikely)

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

At some point there will be negotiations to stop this war, and Iran needs to work out what their price is for that.

Iran should reject any ceasefire as that will be temporary and Israel never honours them anyway. The Iranian FM said as much recently.

Ideally Iran works to allow the Americans to exit the war on their own such that Iran can focus on Israel alone to exact a price. Force apart the attempts of mutual consent that Trump has tried to put in place between Israel and the USA. Separate the USA and Israel as much as possible and deal with them separately.

Iran should insist on all sanctions being permanently removed without any conditions or time limitations etc as part of any exit strategy for the USA. The shorter the time Iran needs to face the USA, the better as they are bringing resources to the table that Israel can never do so.

Suffice to say the US exit will ensure no future conflict and a oil/gas premium pays for all the war damages. Besides US simply cannot pay...

 

[Unknowntruth]

 

[Aggregate]

And this is why attacking those US bases was absolutely necessary, no matter which Gulf country hosted them and how much anyone complained about it. Now the US can hardly attack Iran via refuellers and Iran can fully hit them back for a change.

The US tried the obvious desperate trick of accusing Iran of "attacking Arabs". But obviously that was all that they could do. It was the only ever way to host those bases right in the face of Iran and expecting Iran to do nothing as a matter of 'being nice to neighbours'.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

The pro Zio lobby is creating narrative to pressure Trump on ground invasion from south or air drop at Esfahan site

- DPRK is supplying fission devices to IRI
- IRI is just 72 hour away from Bomb.

As crazy as it sounds, some extremists are even talking of tactical nuking

The cost is multiplied by a magnitude. Repeating myself but silence sometimes masks vulnerabilities. US didn't have to get exposed like this in front of the world... but that is what we called possessed by a demon! Can't say no situation. The gas prices are single biggest sword hanging on everyone's head ... People will simply quit jobs because paychecks are already maxed... so are the credit cards.
Talk about the worst possible situation to start... but hubris and limited window!