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[Pakistan Space Agency]

I was talking about Israel not US since now we have had two full wars with them. I would assume Israelis are not concerned about livelihood of a public-private partnership Iranian company whose sole function is to waste Israeli PGMs worth dozens of millions of USD on welded rods and wood decoys. As per credible aviation journalists, atleast 10-12 decoys were targeted by expensive SOWs/PGMs last time and same is happening now. May be they just do not care and want to make sure that they destroy what seems to be a potential asset of adversary, regardless of the fact that IRIAF does not exist as a combat capable force anymore. Who knows. Last time there were clips of 1:1 decoys of F-14AM (local upgraded F-14A) being moved yet few hours later the same decoy wasted a 4 million USD SOW of IAF. I wrote here that I was expecting ALBM landing on the decoy company but nothing happened.

Zion just wants to bomb everything in Iran, decoy or not.

If the F-14s can't be used for combat anymore, Iran might as well use them as decoys too.

 

[MS Sandhu]

Easy war? Iran's missile force has held off the US forces for 10 days, and continues to attack many targets on a daily basis, and has caused an economic shock heard around the world.

Pretty effective, I would say. I do not think any other nation has done more with less.

I said it easy war b/c
I still think US is going easy on Iran yet, to see if Iranians fold away and give up their resistance
A Venezuela like approach.
Kill the serving SL so that the next one falls in line, a tried and proven approach historically.
that will work or not against Iran, we don't know yet.
But that's the approach.

 

[VCheng]

I said it easy war b/c
I still think US is going easy on Iran yet, to see if Iranians fold away and give up their resistance
A Venezuela like approach.
Kill the serving SL so that the next one falls in line, a tried and proven approach historically.
that will work or not against Iran, we don't know yet.
But that's the approach.

Thus far, that approach has been an unqualified disaster!

 

[MS Sandhu]

Thus far, that approach has been an unqualified disaster!

Let Mojtaba take the command and we will see how much Iran is willing to concede for as Aragchi says "guarantee for permanent peace"

 

[ToddE]

Zion just wants to bomb everything in Iran, decoy or not.

No evidence for that but proves my point, a 5K USD decoy (I am assuming) vs 1 million USD PGM+flight costs benefits the IRGC strategy of accumulating unbearable cost on hypermilitary power led alliance. Go toe to toe with them in their domain (airpower) you will end up like Saddam.

If the F-14s can't be used for combat anymore, Iran might as well use them as decoys too.

Would be stupid.

 

[VCheng]

Let Mojtaba take the command and we will see how much Iran is willing to concede for as Aragchi says "guarantee for permanent peace"

We shall know relatively soon. I hope some early resolution is possible.

 

[MS Sandhu]

regardless of the fact that IRIAF does not exist as a combat capable force anymore.

That's because they were not hitting just the decoys all along.
IDF can't maintain constant surveillance over Iran with its manned assets.It needs cheap hermes to operate unchallenged in Iran or at negligible cost.
IRIAF even with its Yaks is a threat against hermes.

 

[ToddE]

That's because they were not hitting just the decoys all along.
IDF can't maintain constant surveillance over Iran with its manned assets.It needs cheap hermes to operate unchallenged in Iran or at negligible cost.
IRIAF even with its Yaks is a threat against hermes.

They can easily launch hypersonic lofted apogee ALBMs, long ranged SOWs much further from Iranian airspace. Did that before. And what about USAF, USN aviation combat wing flying + Strategic bombers firing long ranged SOWs from their carriers and bases ? There are 10 ways to choke a conventionally built airforce, fuel depots, supplies, run ways, economic warfare, spare lines chokes, armaments supply choked through diplomatic pressure from vendor. We learnt that during war against Arabs in 80s when top AF of its time with 400 F-14A, F-4E/D, F-5E/F were grounded just because spares and combat suite could not be procured anymore. Airpower is a failed strategy against a hyper military power led alliance like US/NATO+Israelis. It will provide no deterrence yet will become a morale downing factor with dozens of Billion of USD going down the drain. The same ~40 Billion USD in IRGCASF hands means 10 more underground bases with 2000 more Fattah+KS hypersonic or Sejjil-II/K-4 IRBMs + may be 5K Shahed 136/238, AShBMs/AShCMs/LACMs. Learn from recent actual wars.

 

[MS Sandhu]

They can easily launch hypersonic lofted apogee ALBMs, long ranged SOWs much further from Iranian airspace.

Only in opening salvos.Very soon they will run out of targets due to enemy assets being dispersed across the country.
At that point, you need 24/7 surveillance over enemy, and manned assets can't provide you that
At this point, hermes/predators become very much relevant for the US/Isr.
If you can deny the hermes any breathing room in your airspace, you are good to go.
That's why IRIAF even with its wvr loaded Yaks is pretty much relevant to Battlefield.

 

[MS Sandhu]

The same ~40 Billion USD in IRGCASF hands means 10 more underground bases with 2000 more Fattah+KS hypersonic or Sejjil-II/K-4 IRBMs + may be 5K Shahed 136/238, AShBMs/AShCMs/LACMs. Learn from recent actual wars.

Given the changing nature of battlefield, the capable air forces are pretty much moving towards 5th gen fighters that can take the enemy head on denying it any breathing room any where close to its air space
And multiple 5th Gen options are available
F35 from the US
J35 from China
Su57 from Russia
KF21 from South Korea

With many countries working on their own 5th Gen technologies
Like India, Europe etc

 

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Looks like f4s

 

[Nuffle]

LOL @ people here coming and talking about "Air Force" against US/NATO+Israelis. You can park 300 x SU-35S + 12 AWACS against them, they will strategically bombard your bases to rubble from distance, would not stop until force is done and dusted. There goes the morale of the rest of the forces along with ~30-40 Billion USD spent on Airforce.

That if ... a Big IF ... they allow you to have critical spares, armaments before the war even if they come from Russia, China ... I am also being flexible in considering that such a country going against them would not be economically choked by them prior to everything.

So the alternative is to spend US$40 billion on allies throughout the region who can only fire rockets that are easily intercepted by air defense systems?

 

[Nuffle]

The same ~40 Billion USD in IRGCASF hands means 10 more underground bases with 2000 more Fattah+KS hypersonic or Sejjil-II/K-4 IRBMs + may be 5K Shahed 136/238, AShBMs/AShCMs/LACMs. Learn from recent actual wars.

I think you're not understanding.

Nobody is telling Iran to abandon its missile force to build a modern air force. They are complementary.

Look, with a small but modern air force, Iran would still be contesting air superiority throughout the country and hunting down all drones in the air, making it impossible for the US and its allies to provide air cover and surveillance. You can believe that there would be no hunting season for Iranian launchers at any point in this war, because the IRIAF would be in the sky providing cover and carrying out interceptions within its own territory. That's just one task that a modest but modern air force could perform in a conflict like this.

Oh, and don't tell me that all the bases would be obliterated, because that would require real-time ISTAR, which doesn't exist due to EO satellite, only drones and aircraft that would be confronting the IRIAF in the skies over all of Iran.

 

[abgoosht]

We shall know relatively soon. I hope some early resolution is possible.

We shall see, time will tell.