JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

I believe CM400s did their job fine. Indians couldn't intercept them. It struck its target locations as admitted by the IAF chief himself or perhaps S400 was too good (and too busy) with hide and seek, as they claim - lol
Well, if the S-400 was busy hiding then clearly it was out of the game and didn't pose a threat. CM-400, at the speed it arrives on target, it would be difficult for any other Medium Range or SHORAD to intercept it.

I think the future is PAF going for more ALBMs or quasi ballistic missiles......similar to what Israel did with Blue Sparraws.

That's a sure shot way of taking out HVTs in India in initial salvos......and because guidance to these missiles can be fed in advance, PAF can utilize the older BLK Is for this job while BLK IIIs and J-10s take out any theats in the air.
 
Besides 3 Myanmar and 3 Nigerian JF17s, have any other deals been signed yet? Is the Azerbaijan contract signed and real or still in discussion? how many did they buy or are they doing the same BS as what others did..ie will buy 2-3 and test it first. lot of hype from Khwaja Asif and fanboys here on Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Argentina and how this is transform Pakistan economy etc but has anything real been signed?

My fear is that JF17 is not up to the mark in global market. This whole positioning of "we are cheap" is back firing. No one likes to buy cheap things no matter how poor you are particularly when national pride is at stake. Nations want quality and performance. Also, while JF17 has proven to be strong in A-G roles (both in Swift Retort and BUM), it has not proven to be up to the mark in AA roles. I still dont get why PAF did not have JF17 equipped with PL15s, engage Indian fighters in on May 3 2025? Why the JF17 was in a support role rather than be in a lead role along with J10s? Is it that they couldnt carry PF15s or their radar is weak? or they couldnt climb to the required altitude fast enough ? Even is Swift Retort, the AA role was primarily led by F16 even though JF17 were carrying SD-10s back then...so why did they not engage Indian fighters in Feb '19? Does the PAF not trust JF17 in AA roles? No matter how much we try to hide it, we cannot deny that JF17 did not have a single AA kill (except for a drone). This would have greatly helped its sales if it had shot down just 1 Indian plane. We need to do something about its engine thrust or lack thereof.
 
Besides 3 Myanmar and 3 Nigerian JF17s, have any other deals been signed yet? Is the Azerbaijan contract signed and real or still in discussion? how many did they buy or are they doing the same BS as what others did..ie will buy 2-3 and test it first. lot of hype from Khwaja Asif and fanboys here on Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Argentina and how this is transform Pakistan economy etc but has anything real been signed?

My fear is that JF17 is not up to the mark in global market. This whole positioning of "we are cheap" is back firing. No one likes to buy cheap things no matter how poor you are particularly when national pride is at stake. Nations want quality and performance. Also, while JF17 has proven to be strong in A-G roles (both in Swift Retort and BUM), it has not proven to be up to the mark in AA roles. I still dont get why PAF did not have JF17 equipped with PL15s, engage Indian fighters in on May 3 2025? Why the JF17 was in a support role rather than be in a lead role along with J10s? Is it that they couldnt carry PF15s or their radar is weak? or they couldnt climb to the required altitude fast enough ? Even is Swift Retort, the AA role was primarily led by F16 even though JF17 were carrying SD-10s back then...so why did they not engage Indian fighters in Feb '19? Does the PAF not trust JF17 in AA roles? No matter how much we try to hide it, we cannot deny that JF17 did not have a single AA kill (except for a drone). This would have greatly helped its sales if it had shot down just 1 Indian plane. We need to do something about its engine thrust or lack thereof.
Azerbaijan contract signed for 40 aircraft. 6 already delivered
 
Besides 3 Myanmar and 3 Nigerian JF17s, have any other deals been signed yet? Is the Azerbaijan contract signed and real or still in discussion? how many did they buy or are they doing the same BS as what others did..ie will buy 2-3 and test it first. lot of hype from Khwaja Asif and fanboys here on Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Argentina and how this is transform Pakistan economy etc but has anything real been signed?

My fear is that JF17 is not up to the mark in global market. This whole positioning of "we are cheap" is back firing. No one likes to buy cheap things no matter how poor you are particularly when national pride is at stake. Nations want quality and performance. Also, while JF17 has proven to be strong in A-G roles (both in Swift Retort and BUM), it has not proven to be up to the mark in AA roles. I still dont get why PAF did not have JF17 equipped with PL15s, engage Indian fighters in on May 3 2025? Why the JF17 was in a support role rather than be in a lead role along with J10s? Is it that they couldnt carry PF15s or their radar is weak? or they couldnt climb to the required altitude fast enough ? Even is Swift Retort, the AA role was primarily led by F16 even though JF17 were carrying SD-10s back then...so why did they not engage Indian fighters in Feb '19? Does the PAF not trust JF17 in AA roles? No matter how much we try to hide it, we cannot deny that JF17 did not have a single AA kill (except for a drone). This would have greatly helped its sales if it had shot down just 1 Indian plane. We need to do something about its engine thrust or lack thereof.
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Besides 3 Myanmar and 3 Nigerian JF17s, have any other deals been signed yet? Is the Azerbaijan contract signed and real or still in discussion? how many did they buy or are they doing the same BS as what others did..ie will buy 2-3 and test it first. lot of hype from Khwaja Asif and fanboys here on Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Argentina and how this is transform Pakistan economy etc but has anything real been signed?

My fear is that JF17 is not up to the mark in global market. This whole positioning of "we are cheap" is back firing. No one likes to buy cheap things no matter how poor you are particularly when national pride is at stake. Nations want quality and performance. Also, while JF17 has proven to be strong in A-G roles (both in Swift Retort and BUM), it has not proven to be up to the mark in AA roles. I still dont get why PAF did not have JF17 equipped with PL15s, engage Indian fighters in on May 3 2025? Why the JF17 was in a support role rather than be in a lead role along with J10s? Is it that they couldnt carry PF15s or their radar is weak? or they couldnt climb to the required altitude fast enough ? Even is Swift Retort, the AA role was primarily led by F16 even though JF17 were carrying SD-10s back then...so why did they not engage Indian fighters in Feb '19? Does the PAF not trust JF17 in AA roles? No matter how much we try to hide it, we cannot deny that JF17 did not have a single AA kill (except for a drone). This would have greatly helped its sales if it had shot down just 1 Indian plane. We need to do something about its engine thrust or lack thereof.

Probably the most ignorant post this week., well done, you had some tough competition.
 
Besides 3 Myanmar and 3 Nigerian JF17s, have any other deals been signed yet? Is the Azerbaijan contract signed and real or still in discussion? how many did they buy or are they doing the same BS as what others did..ie will buy 2-3 and test it first. lot of hype from Khwaja Asif and fanboys here on Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Argentina and how this is transform Pakistan economy etc but has anything real been signed?

My fear is that JF17 is not up to the mark in global market. This whole positioning of "we are cheap" is back firing. No one likes to buy cheap things no matter how poor you are particularly when national pride is at stake. Nations want quality and performance. Also, while JF17 has proven to be strong in A-G roles (both in Swift Retort and BUM), it has not proven to be up to the mark in AA roles. I still dont get why PAF did not have JF17 equipped with PL15s, engage Indian fighters in on May 3 2025? Why the JF17 was in a support role rather than be in a lead role along with J10s? Is it that they couldnt carry PF15s or their radar is weak? or they couldnt climb to the required altitude fast enough ? Even is Swift Retort, the AA role was primarily led by F16 even though JF17 were carrying SD-10s back then...so why did they not engage Indian fighters in Feb '19? Does the PAF not trust JF17 in AA roles? No matter how much we try to hide it, we cannot deny that JF17 did not have a single AA kill (except for a drone). This would have greatly helped its sales if it had shot down just 1 Indian plane. We need to do something about its engine thrust or lack thereof.

Can we delete this post - it so embarrassingly bad ...

@Fatman17 ?
 
yes no one wants to hear their baby is ugly right? how many kills AA kills has JF17 had? simple question? is that the reason why this is not selling like hot cakes?

How many air to air kills has F22 had? Or F35? Or Rafael?

How many air to air kills did J10 have before it outnumbered kills by F22, F35, and Rafael combined in one hour?
 
**9 , if we assume the aricraft in the parade were ours , which i think most people agreed in the argument here


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these were the 9 deliveries
6 single seater and 3 double seaters
just interesting that those B's are still in block 2 config.
 

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