Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

PakistanLVR said:
Found the Pakistani. Don't talk about people who aren't like you. Followers of Hussein (a.s.) and Ali (a.s.), if they were like Pakistanis, they would have folded years ago. But I could see why you see yourself as helpless. Its the passive, docile South Asian gene-pool.
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It's reality at this point. The high-rises in israel still stand. Turkey is working on a 5th gen whilst the US is probably on the drawing board for the 7th gen... This isn't the era of swords and arrows. Technology is might. Being passive and docile is what has caused us to be in this situation in the first place. All our lands have internal conflicts nobody bothering about technological innovation to keep up with these guys.


The disparity amounts to men with bare fists and chapals against people with swords, cannons, muskets, arrows and trebuchets.
 
Salza said:
Lol US will not stop with one island. They will take complete control of Strait of Hormuz one by one. They are not stupid to waste billions already.
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Flow of crude oil under US control.....in next conflict with China ...US will have that critical control ...for Chinese vessels....

Also CPEC will be affected
 
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They already hit a tanker and launched missiles at eilat no? Im confused now
 
kobra said:
What we will offer more than US and Israil against Iran? Daily expenditure of US is close to 1.8b, Israil's seprate...US is using f35s, F22s, F15s, F16s, B2, B52, B1s, Thousands of Interceptors to defend its interests, Three career groups and what not.. What are we going to get involved with, Which US does not possess and using right now? Nuclear weapons Or are you hoping of sending of Pak army battalions with tanks, artilleries inside Iran to fulfill a decade old wishes of conquering iran again of certain groups? lol..

KSA offered US 1.5trillions dollars in investment and purchased weapons of worth more than 200 Bn $, Will they offer us the same? If they do than its a good deal, 200b is a lot of money. otherwise im yet to see anything new which we can use against iran to inflict pain on them.
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If Iran looses their jugular line (kharng island) than they will make sure others looses as well. They have already shown intension by attacking other middle eastern countries. If this shit happens, than Saudis Arab will need every military asset in air or land to save their energy infrastructures. A squad of PAF and some SHORADS from our side. Drone jamming expertise. That's the maximum we can do being signatory of defense deal with them.
 
Salza said:
It's a jugular line for Iranian economy. Iran will do their best not to get it destroyed either by US or by themselves in case of US invasion. Don't understand why some posters are not getting it.
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Mutually assured destruction...

I have provided the list of other oil infrastructures (arteries) in MIddle East and it wont be the first time Kargh will be bombed.. Its an exporting hub not the production hub, they will some how manage for themselves. But if whole of Middle east arteries are gone, oil will be physically unavailable and price could be anything' It will be non nuclear winter for the whole world.. Small economies will be finished for once and all. Even now physical oil futures are being traded at surplus.

Just like US dont nuke Russia or Russia dont nuke US, neither do we and India.. Mutually assured destruction. The Bluff
 
j_hungary said:
If the US wants the Island as leverage, they can just bomb it (or threaten to bomb it); they aren't looking at trading the invasion of the island as leverage to end the blockade. Because if the leverage is that I can't have oil ship out and neither can you, then it's a lot easier to just bomb the island into smithereens than to try to invade it

However, if this war has ended, and that island was in US hands, then that could be a leverage, because that would be good for "the next time" when Iran closes the strait, but will Iran end the current war on any terms with the US controlling the island?
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Yeah I don’t think the Iranians are going to allow American do what Russia did crimea we will have trump right after it was American land just like Greenland goodnight but liked your previous post
 
As this war prolongs the only viable option for Iran is to burn it all down. Send the middle east back to the dark ages and then rebuild. Hopefully the economic fallout will cause internal conflict within the US and they start to tear each other apart. Nobody is in a position to go against these guys at this point. People are celebrating a few refueler aircrafts getting damaged? Habibi they have hundreds more lined up.
 
Salza said:
If Iran looses their jugular line (kharng island) than they will make sure others looses as well. They have already shown intension by attacking other middle eastern countries. If this shit happens, than Saudis Arab will need every military asset in air or land to save their energy infrastructures. A squad of PAF and some SHORADS from our side. Drone jamming expertise. That's the maximum we can do being signatory of defense deal with them.
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I love PAF, We all do but seriously what do we offer more than US air force? what if iran does something via Houthis in Saudia? are we ready to go into quagmire of yemen? Nato did an absolute bombing campaigns for months in yemen before truce, Houthis are still there, stronger than before, we can try it too.
 
PakSword said:

Five Air Force Refueling Planes Hit in Iranian Strike on Saudi Arabia​

Five U.S. Air Force refueling planes were struck and damaged on the ground at Prince Sultan air base in Saudi Arabia, according to two U.S. officials.
The tankers were hit during an Iranian missile strike on the Saudi base in recent days, the officials said. U.S. Central Command declined to comment. The tankers were damaged but not fully destroyed and are being repaired, one of the officials said. No one was killed in the strikes.
The news brings the total number of Air Force refueling planes damaged or destroyed to at least seven. It comes after two Air Force KC-135 refueling planes collided on Thursday, leading one of the aircraft to crash into the ground. All six crew members were killed, the Pentagon announced on Friday.
Iran has been targeting U.S. troops and military equipment at bases across the region in retaliation for Operation Epic Fury. A U.S. service member died after suffering serious injuries during an attack at the Saudi base on March 1.
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7 air-refuelers destroyed so far.

Anyone know how much each of these cost, and how many have the US deployed to the region recently?
 
Pakistan Space Agency said:
7 air-refuelers destroyed so far.

Anyone know how much each of these cost, and how many have the US deployed to the region recently?
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Money is an imaginary concept for these people, replacing an air-refueler for them is like walking down to the local and getting a pack of crisps.
 
Master Chief said:
It is a reckless move and may well be Trump’s best attempt at a quick victory. He is a very dangerous individual. He can't seem to tolerate losing - and before military analysts laugh at me for suggesting USA can plausibly "lose", all it takes for an American loss on paper is the survival of Iran as an antagonistic nation state with its government sustained and some residual ability to strike Israel with rockets or missiles. Arguably, even a prolonged conflict of attrition can be construed as an "American loss" in this context, which is why Trump is willing to be reckless for an attempt at a quick victory. Iran needs to continue to understand his psyche and ego and use that to their advantage.

All this madness to cover for Israeli expansionist fantasies.

American citizens need to ask themselves and their government if it is all really worth it to let this psychotic colonial apartheid outpost murder kids across the middle east. Has USA not simply picked the wrong side since 1948?
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A good sizeable chrlunk
Master Chief said:
It is a reckless move and may well be Trump’s best attempt at a quick victory. He is a very dangerous individual. He can't seem to tolerate losing - and before military analysts laugh at me for suggesting USA can plausibly "lose", all it takes for an American loss on paper is the survival of Iran as an antagonistic nation state with its government sustained and some residual ability to strike Israel with rockets or missiles. Arguably, even a prolonged conflict of attrition can be construed as an "American loss" in this context, which is why Trump is willing to be reckless for an attempt at a quick victory. Iran needs to continue to understand his psyche and ego and use that to their advantage.

All this madness to cover for Israeli expansionist fantasies.

American citizens need to ask themselves and their government if it is all really worth it to let this psychotic colonial apartheid outpost murder kids across the middle east. Has USA not simply picked the wrong side since 1948?
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A good sizeable chunk of American population here believes in Israel. They believe that Israel is their salvation as mentioned in the Bible.
 
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Suicidal. The us simply doesn't have enough escort ships. Burkes are great as A2AD ships protecting CSGs but in narrow straits they are dangerously vulnerable. By my estimate You will need 15-30 escorts ships permanently deployed in the gulf and atleast 1 CSG for cover and even that can only happen after weeks of strikes that confirm degradation of irans anti ship capabilities. Such an operation requires an entire coordinated nato commitment for months and undoubtedly pulls forces from Atlantic and Mediterranean. All for less than 1/3rd of original traffic in hormuz to be somewhat safe. Bombing kharg island was the final straw trump doomed us all
 
Ibbi32 said:
They already hit a tanker and launched missiles at eilat no? Im confused now
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Not yet.. They have done nothing so far. They have got big bragging mouths and aura, if they would have done something there would be dozens of announcements
 
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