Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[That_Guy]

There must be conditions and clauses in the agreement as a purely defense agreement. Pakistan will not be involved in an attack. Most of the attacks coming on Iran are from Saudi land and airspace. So Saudi Arabia is one of the aggressors not Defenders. Iran is just responding back. It just happens to be the response is significant so it feels like Saudi Arabia is under attack. So these are suffering from FAFO

The initial attacks on Iran did not originate from Saudi territory. It was only after Iran attacked US military assets did the Saudis authorize the attacks on Iran.

Let's get the events correct.

 

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[That_Guy]

Prove it.
simple as that.

KSA has said in the past that the Houthis are an extension of Iran publicly. Its not new.

 

[That_Guy]

So what why are US tankers and jets flying all across Saudi airspace and thru their air corridor back and forth from Israel and Jordan and even Europe if they are not being used for the war? you are being naive or obtuse.

KSA is a culprit and aggressor in this war. A true neutral party is Switzerland which denied 2 requests by US flights to use its airspace to travel.

And a U.S. base is not “KSA infrastructure” it not even legally KSA land, its technically US soil.

Does not one know how to read properly, or know how timeline of events work?

KSA originally did not allow the US to use Saudi territory to launch attacks.

They gave it after the war began and Iran struck Arab nations.

 

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The initial attacks on Iran did not originate from Saudi territory. It was only after Iran attacked US military assets did the Saudis authorize the attacks on Iran.

Let's get the events correct.

It's called preemptive. If America has the right. Why not Iran. Let's assume Iran did not attack the American assets and bases in Saudi Arabia. However, we are at this point where we are today with the rest of the war field active, the Americans would definitely have utilized the Saudi assets and bases. Iran had to be proactive.. they they warned the region. Any countries hosting American bases are legitimate targets. From their defensive point of view after the horrific terrorist attack on their spiritual and supreme leader Ayatollah and the girls school. Iran had every right to defend itself. All countries harboring American bases is were targets. So from Iranian war strategy to that makes perfect sense.

For for the Saudis and the rest of GCC countries... Their American defense umbrella just broke.

 

[Master Chief]

From the beginning if the war, KSA actually did NOT allow the US to use its bases to attack Iran.

Regardless, attacks on KSA's infrastructure may pull Pakistan into the war.

KSA is not neutral. GCC is not neutral.

Even providing radar data to thwart Iranian missiles that are targeting Iran's enemy is a hostile act against Iran.

 

[shapurzolaktaf]

So far the money making infrastructure of IRI is standing and they are in fact exporting oil during the war. We earn ~120 Billion USD a year (last year) from our Hydrocarbon dominated exports. So money is not the problem nor there is any damage to actual fighting military (IRGC). Far less richer and talentless nations stand up on their own after wars. We Iranians are neither poor nor lazy. The only problem I see is will the IRI change its Khamenei like nuke less dove policies or not? if they go down this path again, these zio + Neocons + puppet arabdoms will regroup and return in 6 months even if current round ends in Strategic IRI victory.

Strait of Hormuz should become permanently Taxed (Security tax), Iran and Oman can share the revenues. Toll should be paid for any ship that wants to pass.

 

[Watandar]

The initial attacks on Iran did not originate from Saudi territory. It was only after Iran attacked US military assets did the Saudis authorize the attacks on Iran.

Let's get the events correct.

Saudis pushed for this attack and Prince Sultan airbase has been the main US air force base in the region going back to the 1990s. All American air wars have been staged and directed from there.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2026/02/28/trump-iran-decision-saudi-arabia-israel/

 

[ToddE]

Strait of Hormuz should become permanently Taxed (Security tax), Iran and Oman can share the revenues.

Yes, IRI should create its own "Pay n Pass" toll fee of its own with coupons for whichever Zio controlled sheikhdom behaves nicer. Heavy fine + tankers sunk if otherwise.

 

[Desert]

KSA has said in the past that the Houthis are an extension of Iran publicly. Its not new.

they can say whatever they want but they need to prove it.

 

[j_hungary]

Hang on. I’m confused now. Tankers have booms . They are basically civilian aircraft and repurposed with a boom. There’s another method called PROBE-AND-DROGUE that has a long tube and a basket is used. The basket connects to probe of the aircraft. Hopefully US will release the information to put an end to this mystery.

You need a receiver to take fuel in flight with a boom. And you need to have a probe to do probe and drougue refuelling.

The receiver is like this on top of the aircraft



The Probe is like this on the side of the aircraft



Neither KC-135R has either of those; only KC-135R(RT), which is a specialised version of KC-135R that has a boom receiver upgrade (The USAF only has 8 of them). And I have looked it up from the military's own database to actually verify the serial number of both aircraft involved and confirm both aren't KC-135R(RT)

So while I can't tell you why the two planes crashed, I can tell you from my research that they weren't refuelling each other, because they can't, and that's the matter of fact.

 

[Desert]

Yes, IRI should create its own "Pay n Pass" toll fee of its own with coupons for whichever Zio controlled sheikhdom behaves nicer. Heavy fine + tankers sunk if otherwise.

why not .. Hormuz should be treated same as suez canal , pay and pass .. no pay no pass.

 

[Desert]

You need a receiver to take fuel in flight with a boom. And you need to have a probe to do probe and drougue refuelling.

The receiver is like this on top of the aircraft

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The Probe is like this on the side of the aircraft

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Neither KC-135R has either of those; only KC-135R(RT), which is a specialised version of KC-135R that has a boom receiver upgrade (The USAF only has 8 of them). And I have looked it up from the military's own database to actually verify the serial number of both aircraft involved and confirm both aren't KC-135R(RT)

So while I can't tell you why the two planes crashed, I can tell you from my research that they weren't refuelling each other, because they can't, and that's the matter of fact.

That's a good point...

 

[j_hungary]

That is okay, we all have gaps in knowledge. Thank you for being honest.

The details of this accident will probably be known only after the war is over, at some point. Right now it is the loss of service personnel that is regrettable and irreplaceable.

(For academic interest, there are many other refueler configurations: bridges, stacks and ladders, for example, and none of them are easy.)

I doubt they will tell the real reason if there is some F up. I still remember the whole M2 Bradley Fiasco that happened when they developed the thing and how they tried to cover it up, and I was in one of those things......lol

 

[j_hungary]

why not .. Hormuz should be treated same as suez canal , pay and pass .. no pay no pass.

Well, a canal and a strait are two different things. A canal owned by a single nation because it lies within an entire country (For example, the Panama Canal lies solely within Panama, and the Suez Canal lies within Egypt) Where as a strait may be split between 2 to 3 parties.

Iran can charge people using their side of the strait (Which would be violating international law by the way) they would just be going over to the UAE and Oman side.