Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

What currently leads you to believe SOF teams aren't already there?

The amount of SOF teams you would need to do deep site infiltration of [purposely] buried sites and suspected secret sites would be in the thousands.

Now SOF teams landing at border regions to do targeted assassinations…maybe. But nuclear evac missions? Highly doubtful.

If you understand how Iran has networked its nuclear sites you will understand that this isn’t a 100 man job. It’s not a 1000 man job. It might not be 10,000 man job. Because you need to be sure that you got every last dime of material and not just the 60% or 20% ones.

Some arms controls experts I follow have said they are very confident iran got its hands on nuclear material as far back as before June war, when a long line of trucks were seen outside Fordow in what appears to be an attempt to remove material and any centrifuges they can before they closed the site.

Where did that go? No one knows besides Us intelligence agencies.

Given how poorly this administration planned the Hormuz issue, do you have confidence they planned for material to sent to different parts of a country that is twice as big as Texas?

 

[Desert]

If he's dead, a long line of generals are waiting to take his place. It's the job of Egyptian people to remove him and put a democratic leader in office. Last time Mursi was there but Egyptians themselves revolted against him.

we didn't revolt against him.. that was staged, the saudis and uae clowns financed a coup.
we got imprisoned and killed , i'm not even MB member but I was with mursi,

 

[Cash gk]

A land war or major special forces commando raid is inevitable because U.S. needs to secure Iran’s nuclear material.

This war will not end until Israel and America have confirmed that iran’s nuclear material is secured and destroyed or removed from the country.

Right now each day that passes they get nervous if iran was able to divert so material or if there is room or hallway somewhere in Iran where only 2-3 IRGC generals know and 3-4 scientists under 24/7 watch are enriching at a mad pace to develop 2 nuclear bombs for back to back testing detonation.

Honestly that is the only way Iran survives this in long term is that since the June war it has been enriching at a break neck speed in a hidden secret site that not even Khamenai knew about. If that sprint to a bomb didn’t happen then US special forces will be on Iranian soil within next 30 days.

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You are seriously underestimating Iran my dear friend.. They have only bent their knees once in history before their God. The only surrender in front of Islam.For no empire, no army, no sanction have they bowed. The world is just now learning what i knew months ago.that Persia does not break. it outlasts. While others measure power in bombs, Iran measures it in millennia. They have watched invaders ride over these mountains for two thousand years, and every time, the invader faded and Persia remained. You do not defeat a civilization that has learned to breathe history. You do not intimidate the descendants of Cyrus. They will fight because they are not just a nation
they are the land itself, and the land does not surrender.

 

[Desert]

How would the Houthis accomplish that?

hmmm like the last time they were targeting the ships crossing the suez?

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

hmmm like the last time they were targeting the ships crossing the suez?

In the Suez?

 

[Tamerlane]

A land war or major special forces commando raid is inevitable because U.S. needs to secure Iran’s nuclear material.

This war will not end until Israel and America have confirmed that iran’s nuclear material is secured and destroyed or removed from the country.

Right now each day that passes they get nervous if iran was able to divert so material or if there is room or hallway somewhere in Iran where only 2-3 IRGC generals know and 3-4 scientists under 24/7 watch are enriching at a mad pace to develop 2 nuclear bombs for back to back testing detonation.

Honestly that is the only way Iran survives this in long term is that since the June war it has been enriching at a break neck speed in a hidden secret site that not even Khamenai knew about. If that sprint to a bomb didn’t happen then US special forces will be on Iranian soil within next 30 days.

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That’s what I think is happening. They’re rushing against time to get the nukes ready. One analyst said that out of the 440 kg of enriched uranium, half was lost and they may be enriching the rest to 90%+, which would take a few weeks.

If they’re not doing it then too bad. Evolution only allows survival of the fittest.

 

[Bengal71]

we didn't revolt against him.. that was staged, the saudis and uae clowns financed a coup.
we got imprisoned and killed , i'm not even MB member but I was with mursi,

I know the role of Saudis, UAE and the Salafi Al-Noor party. But it must be said Egyptian people also go impatient. MB didn't have Aladin's magic lamp to solve all the problems of the people in a short time.

 

[Desert]

In the Suez?

Aden but ya some drone hits happened near suez i guess in taba

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

That’s what I think is happening. They’re rushing against time to get the nukes ready. One analyst said that out of the 440 kg of enriched uranium, half was lost and they may be enriching the rest to 90%+, which would take a few weeks.

If they’re not doing it then too bad. Evolution only allows survival of the fittest.

So then instead of an estimated 11 bombs that could be made, let's assume half that number. Say 5. Then one is needed as a test / demonstration of the capability to prove Iran has mastered the physics to achieve nuclear detonation.

Otherwise, all you have is just a dirty bomb which in and of itself is dangerous.

 

[Immortals]

You are seriously underestimating Iran my dear friend..

And you are seriously underestimating what the U.S. will do when it comes to completing an objective.

This is the same country that was able to make a feint and fool the Nazi’s about where a massive landing was coming from before landing the most massive force ever on European shores at the beaches of Normandy.

Do NOT underestimate your enemy. That is the first rule of war. And if the entire Trump administration is full of people with Down syndrome that doesn’t extend to the Generals.

They have only bent their knees once in history before their God. The only surrender in front of Islam.For no empire, no army, no sanction have they bowed. The world is just now learning what i knew months ago.that Persia does not break. it outlasts. While others measure power in bombs, Iran measures it in millennia. They have watched invaders ride over these mountains for two thousand years, and every time, the invader faded and Persia remained. You do not defeat a civilization that has learned to breathe history. You do not intimidate the descendants of Cyrus. They will fight because they are not just a nation
they are the land itself, and the land does not surrender.

That’s a great speech, but the reality is if the U.S. gets its hands on the enriched uranium and leaves or destroys it. Then Iran’s leverage is gone for any potential negotiated settlement.

If you are banking on oil at $200/barrel to crash the world into a Great Depression and make Americans run away, you have too many moderates still in control in Iran. How do i know that? Because they are doing this leniency with the strait letting ships go for BS reasons (LNG to India). This soft sentimental heart isn’t going to get oil moving. You are seeing countries reacting. Iraq is moving oil thru Kurdistan pipelines. The longer Iran waits the faster countries think of some type of work around.

Also the U.S. bombing Iranian coastal regions today is the “softening” campaign for eventual land forces to hit the shores. I’m not saying it will be easy, but for the U.S. boots on the ground will be an inevitability.

 

[Desert]

I know the role of Saudis, UAE and the Salafi Al-Noor party. But it must be said Egyptian people also go impatient. MB didn't have Aladin's magic lamp to solve all the problems of the people in a short time.

ofcourse .. now the few who supported the coup are actually depressed since our economy gone worse.
we don't need new revolution we need to get rid of sisi, noor party and that's it , Iran will take care of the rest in GCC lol

 

[Bengal71]

ofcourse .. now the few who supported the coup are actually depressed since our economy gone worse.
we don't need new revolution we need to get rid of sisi, noor party and that's it , Iran will take care of the rest in GCC lol

If you get rid of sissi, another general will take power. It's the same as before, you removed Mubarak and replaced him with another Mubarak called Sissi.

 

[Tamerlane]

So then instead of an estimated 11 bombs that could be made, let's assume half that number. Say 5. Then one is needed as a test / demonstration of the capability to prove Iran has mastered the physics to achieve nuclear detonation.

Otherwise, all you have is just a dirty bomb which in and of itself is dangerous.

They could have had more than the declared 440 kg of enriched uranium to start with. We can’t be sure. However, like someone said, Israel is a one bomb country.

 

[Immortals]

So then instead of an estimated 11 bombs that could be made, let's assume half that number. Say 5. Then one is needed as a test / demonstration of the capability to prove Iran has mastered the physics to achieve nuclear detonation.

Otherwise, all you have is just a dirty bomb which in and of itself is dangerous.

You need at least 3 bombs.

One for the intial detonation.

2nd one, a week later to show you have more and the first one wasn’t just a fluke you slapped together to scare the world.

After the 2nd one the U.S. will never 100% beyond a reasonable doubt be able to tell if Iran has 3 bombs or 10 bombs.

Then MAD kicks in.

These aren’t my words, these are Robert Pape a man who did war simulations for the Pentagon and advised many presidents including Trump’s first term.

You need 3 as the minimum number.

 

[Immortals]