Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

What happens in Pakistan when someone leaks classified information?
Depends what type of classified information it is.

You will never hear about classified information related to nuclear and missile being leaked.

Other classified information is systematically leaked on regular basis.
 
So secret that its on twitter

MBS stole the throne from others in the “royale” family. He was able to keep it as he kept Saudi Arabia growing and prospering.

The longer this war goes on the more damage happens to Saudi Arabia and its allies and the more resentment boils inside the royale family with respect to his leadership.

Don’t be so quick to think there is unity in the family right now. Where there is smoke there is fire.
 
If they put ground troops on that island, they can easily be targeted by drones and missiles from Iran. They would all die.
The plan is to heavily suppress and destroy Iranian forces on the coastline by joint GCC-US air forces. I think their plans have huge flaws but you currently have an idiot in the White House, another idiot at the Pentagon and a sycophant as Secretary of State and NSA, so there you go.
 
The plan is to heavily suppress and destroy Iranian forces on the coastline by joint GCC-US air forces. I think their plans have huge flaws but you currently have an idiot in the White House, another idiot at the Pentagon and a sycophant as Secretary of State and NSA, so there you go.
I will be shocked if an MEU attempts to transit the Strait
 
thanks for laying out the ground work for me.
I will try to be conscise as I cant add anything futher or repeat what you said, but I want to highlight a velnurabilty that affects Pakistan and Iran. that is when Pakistan enters this war on Saudis demands.

this one-sided defense arrangement with the Saudis. (I call it walk the plank while a shotgun is aimed on your back by saudis)
What exactly are we honoring? The Saudis are demanding Pakistan activate a deal that was apparently sealed with two currencies: the blood of Pakistani soldiers who would fight Iran, and the blood of ordinary Pakistani citizens who will bear the cost of a direct conflict—both from the war itself and from the advantage India and its proxies (Afghan Taliban, BLA, TTP) will inevitably take the moment our western front ignites.

The structure of this arrangement has always been asymmetrical. When the Afghan Taliban attacked Pakistan from across the border, where was the Saudi division? When India conducted airstrikes , did Riyadh activate anything? No. The deal only seems to work one way: when Saudi interests are in play, Pakistan is expected to show up with its soldiers. When Pakistan bleeds, the Saudis don't even send a statement (ok they do but it can be confused with a staement from Jameca).
Whether by design or consequence, look at what's unfolded.
Israel provoked Iran into attacking GCC economic infrastructure—followed by false flags, followed by follow-up strikes on Iranian oil and gas when Tehran was not retaliating enough against the Gulf states. Now, Israel has successfully forced Pakistan into the war through the Saudi interface. That's the strategic victory for Tel Aviv: they don't need to fight Iran directly. They just activated a chain where Pakistan does it for them, bound by a deal we signed decades ago and can't walk away from because of dollars. now imagine the Israeli's and indians rubbing their hands with anticipation, their two worst enemies might fight each other because their common economic and strategic ally i.e. Saudi Arabia wills it on Pakistan.

you know, our political parties and clergy (mostly Deobandi) has always termed Pakistan afight against TTP as mercernary war for dollars. our oppostion party and the clerics have always lambasted Pakistan army for fighting "own people" while being mute when their "own brothers" conducted massive terror operations.
I'm going to say something that will make some people uncomfortable. This will be the second real example of the Pakistan Army functioning as a mercenary force—doing the bidding of a foreign power, fighting a war that isn't ours. I am not talking about the fight against the Khawarij. That was, and always will be, Pakistan's war. The TTP, Al-Qaeda, the Afghan Taliban factions that target us—that's our fight, no questions asked.

But the first time we crossed that line was Bahrain. Pakistanis went in to quell an uprising, got paid for it, and then became shy when invited into the Yemen meatgrinder. The Saudis have not forgotten that hesitation. Now they are calling in the favor, and the price of saying no again may be more than this state can afford.

This isn't to question the bravery of Pakistani soldiers. It is to point out that when national defense policy is dictated by the need to protect remittance flows and loan rollovers, strategic autonomy is effectively outsourced. The Pakistan Army—the institution we all revere—is being reduced to a force that picks its wars not based on national interest but based on which foreign capital it cannot afford to lose.

let me tie it all together after Gen Munir threw an iftar dinner to our Shia community leaders and clerics.
General Munir met with Shia clerics and elders. He was not asking for permission. Hehas laid out the strategic compulsion.

his message was simple: the Pakistani state has no choice but to accept Saudi demands to confront Iran. how? that remains to be seen, will Pakistan man the oil fields and borders or will it send in its forces to attack and destroy the drone and missile sites attacking Saudis (something that Israelis and Americans have not fully succeeded but Pakistan is supposed to do so?) All the diplomacy, all the requests for calm, all the behind-the-scenes efforts to de-escalate—none of it has been good enough for Riyadh. Pakistan is now at a point where it must choose the lesser of two evils.

The options were laid out clearly:
  • Option one: resist Saudi pressure and risk the immediate deportation of nearly two million Pakistani workers, the end of Saudi loans, and the collapse of a foreign reserve framework that has been propping up this country for years.
  • Option two: comply with Saudi demands, confront Iran, make a third hostile neighbor, and indirectly hand the BLA, TTP, Afghan Taliban, and India exactly what they want—chaos along the entire western front while our forces are stretched beyond breaking point.
The Shia leadership was effectively told that diplomacy has run its course. And that Iran must not mistake Pakistan's restraint for weakness when the order comes it might have to do something which Americans and other GCC countries have not done ye (and maybe wont do). enter Iran from the east, yes its risky but Saudis are willing to risk Pakistani lives.
Let's be clear what a confrontation with Iran actually means.

A front with Iran means Pakistan's entire western border, from Chabahar to the Torkham Gate becomes a single theater. The BLA and the TTP will not fight Iran. They will exploit the redeployment of Frontier Corps and army units away from Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. India, meanwhile, will use its Chabahar leverage to tighten the noose while our attention is fixed elsewhere.

This isn't just a war with Iran. It's the ungoverned space crisis multiplied by three. now make a guess, will Saudis lose any sleep over this scenario? I know our military planners are not having much sleep.

Finally
in short, Pakistan is cooked—much to the delight of our neighboring adversaries and the domestic doom-mongers who compete with Afghan and Indian trolls to spell Pakistan's collapse.

But the tragedy is not trolls. The tragedy is that a state with the region's most battle-hardened army has allowed its strategic choices to be defined by remittance diplomacy and loan rollovers. Gen Munir's message to the Shia clerics was clear: the Saudis have drawn a line, and Pakistan must choose the 'lesser evil.' The problem is that both options—capitulation or confrontation—lead to the same place: a fragmented western front, emboldened militants, and a strategic vacuum that India and its proxies will fill.

Pakistan fought the Khawarij because that was our war. If we fight Iran, it won't be. And everyone from Tehran to New Delhi to Tel Aviv—already knows it.
surely you forget 1965 and 1971 war with India. Saudi did contribute substantial economic and military aid to Pakistan in 65 and 71. Not saying Pakistan should join the war with Iran. I think Pakistan should stay neutral - antagonizing a large neighbor to the west is ill advised.
 
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Let's wait for how they actually vote. My prediction is both parties will fall in line. The MIC/Zio lobbies and CIA want this and the last President to say No to them didn't finish his term.
 
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The plan is to heavily suppress and destroy Iranian forces on the coastline by joint GCC-US air forces. I think their plans have huge flaws but you currently have an idiot in the White House, another idiot at the Pentagon and a sycophant as Secretary of State and NSA, so there you go.

If battleships firing on Iwo Jima couldn’t “suppress” an island HALF the size of Kharg Island, what makes you think they can suppress an entire mountainous coastline spanning 1700KM??

By the time the marines arrive (one group in 1-2 weeks and the other in month) US munitions will be at critical levels.

Land invasion would be suicide for the Republican Party.
 
I want Saudis to be hurt.
I would advise against it, not because I love the Saudis, truth be told, they are the devils themselves, but because of the fact that it can get us Pakistan involved, which is something no Pakistani wants, but then again, when do things ever turn out as per our wishes? Some Babus sitting behind closed doors will make the call, but the whole of Pakistan will suffer because of it.
 
I would advise against it, not because I love the Saudis, truth be told, they are the devils themselves, but because of the fact that it can get us Pakistan involved, which is something no Pakistani wants, but then again, when do things ever turn out as per our wishes? Some Babus sitting behind closed doors will make the call, but the whole of Pakistan will suffer because of it.

Pakistan isn’t getting involved. Saudi Arabia will be hoarding cash in 2 months at this rate.

This was always a transactional affair — cash for [defensive] protection. So far Pakistan has seen very little in this affair and has a large Shiite population and a population that is very supportive of Iran. Dangerous for Pakistan generals to throw their lot with a sinking ship for a few dollar bills that might no longer even come.
 
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ABC News should just ask our American friends here. They are experts in aeronautical engineering of low observable aircraft to radiation waves.

Clearly the F-35 was hit by AAA fire wile conducting Gun runs. What other possibility could there be?/s
 
If battleships firing on Iwo Jima couldn’t “suppress” an island HALF the size of Kharg Island, what makes you think they can suppress an entire mountainous coastline spanning 1700KM??

By the time the marines arrive (one group in 1-2 weeks and the other in month) US munitions will be at critical levels.

Land invasion would be suicide for the Republican Party.
LOL......and you have the gall to criticize my lack of knowledge regarding KC-135 crews not wearing parachutes.

10 seconds of research, as you stated it, would have helped. Please, allow me:

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Shall we do some math now?
 

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