Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Saudi Arabia and the UAE are moving closer to supporting the US-Israel war effort by expanding base access and preparing for a longer conflict

Officials say attitudes in Riyadh now favor supporting the US war to punish Iran, but both states warn that direct offensive action could open a can of worms

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I don't know how Iran will survive with so many opponents?

We will destroy their water desalinations if they go too far and Houthis will join the war.
 
Russia Sanctions lifted, Iran Sanctions lifted .. while throwing Ukraine under the bus & fighting war for Israel and simultaneously reversing the sanctions that they placed to help Israel.

lol they are so deep in this BS of Israel that they are now fighting their own selves.

Identity crisis at strategic levels.

The one month suspension of the Oil Sanctions is a desperate move by the US to get some sort of flexibility from Iran to de-escalate the war. It's probably a unilateral move by the USA. Pretty pathetic and exposes their vulnerability.
 
Pakistan isn’t getting involved. Saudi Arabia will be hoarding cash in 2 months at this rate.

This was always a transactional affair — cash for [defensive] protection. So far Pakistan has seen very little in this affair and has a large Shiite population and a population that is very supportive of Iran. Dangerous for Pakistan generals to throw their lot with a sinking ship for a few dollar bills that might no longer even come.

Bro, Pakistan doesn't want to get involved but has some serious compulsion. So, they may be compelled to join. See Irfan Baloch's post, he summarized it quite well.

thanks for laying out the ground work for me.
I will try to be conscise as I cant add anything futher or repeat what you said, but I want to highlight a velnurabilty that affects Pakistan and Iran. that is when Pakistan enters this war on Saudis demands.

this one-sided defense arrangement with the Saudis. (I call it walk the plank while a shotgun is aimed on your back by saudis)
What exactly are we honoring? The Saudis are demanding Pakistan activate a deal that was apparently sealed with two currencies: the blood of Pakistani soldiers who would fight Iran, and the blood of ordinary Pakistani citizens who will bear the cost of a direct conflict—both from the war itself and from the advantage India and its proxies (Afghan Taliban, BLA, TTP) will inevitably take the moment our western front ignites.

The structure of this arrangement has always been asymmetrical. When the Afghan Taliban attacked Pakistan from across the border, where was the Saudi division? When India conducted airstrikes , did Riyadh activate anything? No. The deal only seems to work one way: when Saudi interests are in play, Pakistan is expected to show up with its soldiers. When Pakistan bleeds, the Saudis don't even send a statement (ok they do but it can be confused with a staement from Jameca).
Whether by design or consequence, look at what's unfolded.
Israel provoked Iran into attacking GCC economic infrastructure—followed by false flags, followed by follow-up strikes on Iranian oil and gas when Tehran was not retaliating enough against the Gulf states. Now, Israel has successfully forced Pakistan into the war through the Saudi interface. That's the strategic victory for Tel Aviv: they don't need to fight Iran directly. They just activated a chain where Pakistan does it for them, bound by a deal we signed decades ago and can't walk away from because of dollars. now imagine the Israeli's and indians rubbing their hands with anticipation, their two worst enemies might fight each other because their common economic and strategic ally i.e. Saudi Arabia wills it on Pakistan.

you know, our political parties and clergy (mostly Deobandi) has always termed Pakistan afight against TTP as mercernary war for dollars. our oppostion party and the clerics have always lambasted Pakistan army for fighting "own people" while being mute when their "own brothers" conducted massive terror operations.
I'm going to say something that will make some people uncomfortable. This will be the second real example of the Pakistan Army functioning as a mercenary force—doing the bidding of a foreign power, fighting a war that isn't ours. I am not talking about the fight against the Khawarij. That was, and always will be, Pakistan's war. The TTP, Al-Qaeda, the Afghan Taliban factions that target us—that's our fight, no questions asked.

But the first time we crossed that line was Bahrain. Pakistanis went in to quell an uprising, got paid for it, and then became shy when invited into the Yemen meatgrinder. The Saudis have not forgotten that hesitation. Now they are calling in the favor, and the price of saying no again may be more than this state can afford.

This isn't to question the bravery of Pakistani soldiers. It is to point out that when national defense policy is dictated by the need to protect remittance flows and loan rollovers, strategic autonomy is effectively outsourced. The Pakistan Army—the institution we all revere—is being reduced to a force that picks its wars not based on national interest but based on which foreign capital it cannot afford to lose.

let me tie it all together after Gen Munir threw an iftar dinner to our Shia community leaders and clerics.
General Munir met with Shia clerics and elders. He was not asking for permission. Hehas laid out the strategic compulsion.

his message was simple: the Pakistani state has no choice but to accept Saudi demands to confront Iran. how? that remains to be seen, will Pakistan man the oil fields and borders or will it send in its forces to attack and destroy the drone and missile sites attacking Saudis (something that Israelis and Americans have not fully succeeded but Pakistan is supposed to do so?) All the diplomacy, all the requests for calm, all the behind-the-scenes efforts to de-escalate—none of it has been good enough for Riyadh. Pakistan is now at a point where it must choose the lesser of two evils.

The options were laid out clearly:
  • Option one: resist Saudi pressure and risk the immediate deportation of nearly two million Pakistani workers, the end of Saudi loans, and the collapse of a foreign reserve framework that has been propping up this country for years.
  • Option two: comply with Saudi demands, confront Iran, make a third hostile neighbor, and indirectly hand the BLA, TTP, Afghan Taliban, and India exactly what they want—chaos along the entire western front while our forces are stretched beyond breaking point.
The Shia leadership was effectively told that diplomacy has run its course. And that Iran must not mistake Pakistan's restraint for weakness when the order comes it might have to do something which Americans and other GCC countries have not done ye (and maybe wont do). enter Iran from the east, yes its risky but Saudis are willing to risk Pakistani lives.
Let's be clear what a confrontation with Iran actually means.

A front with Iran means Pakistan's entire western border, from Chabahar to the Torkham Gate becomes a single theater. The BLA and the TTP will not fight Iran. They will exploit the redeployment of Frontier Corps and army units away from Balochistan and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. India, meanwhile, will use its Chabahar leverage to tighten the noose while our attention is fixed elsewhere.

This isn't just a war with Iran. It's the ungoverned space crisis multiplied by three. now make a guess, will Saudis lose any sleep over this scenario? I know our military planners are not having much sleep.

Finally
in short, Pakistan is cooked—much to the delight of our neighboring adversaries and the domestic doom-mongers who compete with Afghan and Indian trolls to spell Pakistan's collapse.

But the tragedy is not trolls. The tragedy is that a state with the region's most battle-hardened army has allowed its strategic choices to be defined by remittance diplomacy and loan rollovers. Gen Munir's message to the Shia clerics was clear: the Saudis have drawn a line, and Pakistan must choose the 'lesser evil.' The problem is that both options—capitulation or confrontation—lead to the same place: a fragmented western front, emboldened militants, and a strategic vacuum that India and its proxies will fill.

Pakistan fought the Khawarij because that was our war. If we fight Iran, it won't be. And everyone from Tehran to New Delhi to Tel Aviv—already knows it.
 
Is this sarcastic? The US already had full access to UAE and SA territory. Militarily they have next to nothing to offer and are extremely vulnerable to counter-attack.

Not sarcastic. I am wondering how it works. Yes I know US already have full access to Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Bahrain everywhere.
 
That's was what the Pentagon said, if it crashed in Iran then Iran surely have evidence of the wreak and a captured pilot - right? right? No? You aren't very bright are you?
did he claim it crashed in iran? your pentagon also said there was WMD in iraq, more then 2 million dead and after more then 2 decades, still no WMD, not very truthful are they?
 
She was likely killed by the Israeli linked Takfeeri ISIS... And that is why he knows who the real evil party is in this conflict. And it's not Iran....

It's Israel and it allied Takfeeri ISIS Al Qaeeda. The current Zionist poodle leader of Syria Jolani.
She was in fact killed by an ISIS suicide bomber. I think even Kent himself admitted ISIS was an American construct created for Israel’s benefit. Its the biggest irony, an American killed by an American terrorist proxy who blew herself up. So both of them died for Israel.
 
Bro, Pakistan doesn't want to get involved but has some serious compulsion. So, they may be compelled to join. See Irfan Baloch's post, he summarized it quite well.

If Pakistan gets involved in the war by siding with the Zionist alliance (Saudi Branch) and Iran retaliates, Pakistan's Western front will expose it's vulnerable Eastern front. India can easily take advantage.

Alternatively, the Saudis may understand Pakistan's predicament, and instead insist that Pakistan allow American forces to invade Iran via Balochistan and thereby free the Strait of Hormuz. If Iran loses its eastern most province, it may then capitulate.

That scenario is most likely in my opinion.

Saudis will use the Pakistani defense pact as a means to give the Americans the opportunity they desperately need.
 
Definitely. I doubt it was an ordinary routine meeting. There are no protests in Pakistan, so what could be the reason for the meeting? Pakistan is joining the war and he told the Shia clerics to keep Shias in check?

Pakistan General also said Iran will be victories after this war but some ulema on purpose ignore this. But yes i think the war will expand.
 

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