Aftermath of the Iran-US war and its effects on proximities

[RescueRanger]

This is the main concern I have too. On paper, Pakistan has a very strong military but we lack depth as we don't have large unpenetrable underground military cities

With love and respect, none of you or us know what Pakistan has and doesn't have when it comes to our strategic assets.

 

[RescueRanger]

@Goenitz

Kindly refer to forum policy on religious and secterian commentary.

Please refrain.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

With love and respect, none of you or us know what Pakistan has and doesn't have when it comes to our strategic assets.

As the indians found out during operation sindoor.

 

[Goenitz]

@Goenitz

Kindly refer to forum policy on religious and secterian commentary.
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Please refrain.

Sure. I am aware of that.
But those were political stances by Ulemas of a particular sect. Those were actually happenings (post conflict) which should be news, albeit sensitive. However, if the content violated the rules, I am happy that it got removed with a soft warning.
Regards

 

[MS Sandhu]

I wonder, if we replace Afghanistan with Iran, would it still be valid. Most among us with little bit of knowing will agree, that we are next. But why Muneer regime and his touts are shying away from this rather uncomfortable truth facing us all!

Pakistan's economic interests are tied with GCC not with Iran.
And Iran hitting the civilian infrastructure in GCC is directly hurting us the ordinary Pakistanis working here.
Industries are on halt, hirings are closed and air travel is full of risk.

And Pakistan has no beef with America . so I don't know why our people are shamelessly calling Pakistan to help Iran that will only cause more trouble for millions of Pakistanis in GCC.

 

[RescueRanger]

For the final time this thread is about geo-politics, economy and national security - do not post political garbage or sectarian/religious comments here.

 

[RescueRanger]

However, if the content violated the rules

Yes it did - no sectarian / religious commentary in such threads.

 

[Taimoor]

Pakistan's economic interests are tied with GCC not with Iran.
And Iran hitting the civilian infrastructure in GCC is directly hurting us the ordinary Pakistanis working here.
Industries are on halt, hirings are closed and air travel is full of risk.

And Pakistan has no beef with America . so I don't know why our people are shamelessly calling Pakistan to help Iran that will only cause more trouble for millions of Pakistanis in GCC.

Did we have any economic interests in Afghanistan back in 80s that we threw our weight towards Afghan jihad? It's the national security that triumphed against all other considerations. Afghanistan kay bad humara number... that was the driving force. And maybe rightly so.

I hear your point about economic interests with GCC, but at what cost? If we join against Iran, in whatever capacity, there are only two scenario out of this. Either current Iranian regime get decimated and replaced by zionist cucks, like karzai type, where you will have zero say what goes in Iran and with guarantee that Iran will become playground for like of CIA/Mossad/RAW, and I don't need to tell you what will happen afterwards. The other scenario, equally bad, is current regime survive this and we will always see us as partners in crime.

Pakistan is currently ruled by military regime which has got zero mandate among masses, so when things go south, you will have no one who will take responsibility and held accountable.

When we project ourselves as security state or rather recently as hard state, shouldn't our own national security be our top most priority. We got mortal enemy in east, we have very successfully made Afghanistan our enemy, you wanna bring Iran as well in that equation?

Does whatever economic incentives the current military usurpers in Pakistan are selling to our masses, isn't it the same churan that was sold back after 9/11. What was the equation at the end of the day? Few billions dollars in aid, against 120 billion lost in economy due to unhinged terrorism that military establishment failed to curb, with 80k Pakistani dead.

I am sorry but whatever economic interests there might be, national security cannot be traded for that. GCC are not our neighbours, Iran is.

 

[Michael]

This is the main concern I have too. On paper, Pakistan has a very strong military but we lack depth as we don't have large unpenetrable underground military cities like the Iranians do. We need to build many massive underground military bases that include factories for building nukes, missiles and ALL other military equipment. Pakistan also needs to build a large missile inventory like Iran has. If Pakistan does this, we can defeat ANY enemy or potential enemy anywhere in the world.

I hold a professional license as an electromechanical engineer specializing in deep underground facilities. I must address several points with the utmost seriousness:

1. Regarding the underground facilities showcased by Iran: some are genuine, while others are fabricated. Given the sensitive nature of warfare, I cannot go into specific detail regarding which elements are authentic and which are not.

2. For 99% of the human population, the reality of underground facilities is simply beyond imagination. Unless you have lived within such a facility for an extended period, you cannot possibly conceive of what that experience is truly like.

3. The construction of underground facilities is far more complex than you might imagine—particularly those designed to withstand a nuclear attack.

For Pakistan, sound domestic policies and astute foreign policies are many times more effective than the protective capabilities of any underground fortifications.

 

[Ag1123]

Did we have any economic interests in Afghanistan back in 80s that we threw our weight towards Afghan jihad? It's the national security that triumphed against all other considerations. Afghanistan kay bad humara number... that was the driving force. And maybe rightly so.

I hear your point about economic interests with GCC, but at what cost? If we join against Iran, in whatever capacity, there are only two scenario out of this. Either current Iranian regime get decimated and replaced by zionist cucks, like karzai type, where you will have zero say what goes in Iran and with guarantee that Iran will become playground for like of CIA/Mossad/RAW, and I don't need to tell you what will happen afterwards. The other scenario, equally bad, is current regime survive this and we will always see us as partners in crime.

Pakistan is currently ruled by military regime which has got zero mandate among masses, so when things go south, you will have no one who will take responsibility and held accountable.

When we project ourselves as security state or rather recently as hard state, shouldn't our own national security be our top most priority. We got mortal enemy in east, we have very successfully made Afghanistan our enemy, you wanna bring Iran as well in that equation?

Does whatever economic incentives the current military usurpers in Pakistan are selling to our masses, isn't it the same churan that was sold back after 9/11. What was the equation at the end of the day? Few billions dollars in aid, against 120 billion lost in economy due to unhinged terrorism that military establishment failed to curb, with 80k Pakistani dead.

I am sorry but whatever economic interests there might be, national security cannot be traded for that. GCC are not our neighbours, Iran is.

Probably the best analysis of the situation I’ve read thus far, caught between a rock and a hard place, this is the best possible explanation and choice of outcome Pakistan should probably take. When it comes to security and overall interest you actually nailed this better than anyone on the forum. Congratulations friend, I give you a thousand thumbs up for this post.

 

[MS Sandhu]

Did we have any economic interests in Afghanistan back in 80s that we threw our weight towards Afghan jihad?

Soviet Union really had bad beef with Pakistan .They went out of their way to help India in 1971 so those concerns were valid.

On the contrary, American weapons have protected this nation throughout its existence. America kept its eyes close on our nuclear program. Otherwise they bombed shit out of Iranian one.

America is not our enemy unless some nut job wants to make it one.
Regime change operations are kaand of our own deep state, not of America.

If we join against Iran, in whatever capacity,

Who is saying join war against Iran?
Why help it either? Stay neutral . That's the current strategy of Pakistan.

 

[Reddington]

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Fixed match.
First bomb Iranian infrastructure to give Iranians the excuse to then bomb the Gulf/Israel.

Like I said earlier. Fixed match!

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[Taimoor]

Probably the best analysis of the situation I’ve read thus far, caught between a rock and a hard place, this is the best possible explanation and choice of outcome Pakistan should probably take. When it comes to security and overall interest you actually nailed this better than anyone on the forum. Congratulations friend, I give you a thousand thumbs up for this post.

The choices are really not that stark as they are marketed by current dispensation in Pakistan. Had we have a government with mandate, we could have navigated this with much more assurity, becuase people's mandate count. Isn't it ironic that Pakistan is always asked to "chose" whenever we have generals ruling us? Is it just bad luck or perhaps by design?

Tbh, with current military regime in place, we should act dumb and make Afghanistan as excuse, we can't afford to get involved in any other conflict.

 

[Taimoor]

Soviet Union really had bad beef with Pakistan .They went out of their way to help India in 1971 so those concerns were valid.

On the contrary, American weapons have protected this nation throughout its existence. America kept its eyes close on our nuclear program. Otherwise they bombed shit out of Iranian one.

America is not our enemy unless some nut job wants to make it one.
Regime change operations are kaand of our own deep state, not of America.

Who is saying join war against Iran?
Why help it either? Stay neutral . That's the current strategy of Pakistan.

When did I say to make enemy with America? Just say no to America/isreal and by extension their GCC allies. We got no beef with Iran.

Whoes joining war against Iran? Are you paying attention to news these days?

 

[MS Sandhu]

Just say no to America/isreal and by extension their GCC allies. We got no beef with Iran.

Am I missing any news? Except the fake news peddled by particular community told by Asim " insan de putr ban jao ya iran chlay jao" And they are doing neither.