Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[ARMalik]

Pardon me but some people really need to get their basic vocabulary correct. The amount of illteracy is astronomical. Specially get your basics right about the meaning of the word "Defence".

Definitions of defence in Legal terms:
The act of defending someone or something against attack or injury.

Saudi Arabia attacking another country is NOT defence specially when Saudis are hosting US bases being used to attack Iran. Iran is simply defending itself. And if Saudis decide to attack Iran then Pakistan is under NO LEGAL obligation to assist Saudis. IT IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT BUT GOONS SPECIALLY PTI PAID BOTS WANT TO SPREAD DISINFORMATION ALONG WITH THEIR INDIAN, AFGHAN AND JEWISH BUDDIES !!

 

[clutch]

If Pakistan has agreements with Saudi, it must honour them. We are a reliable ally not an untrustworthy one. Iran should focus its attacks on israel.
India has been using Iran against Pakistan for decades. Khulbushan entered Pakistan from Iran. Pakistan didn’t go to war with Iran over its strategic support to India.
Iran supported the American invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Iran had secret contact with israel for decades.

Everything isn’t black and white as it seems. Yes Zionist regime is against all Muslims, but what benefit does harming GCC economy bring? Even though GCC are allied with USA, you can’t deny the support they’ve provided for millions of Muslims around the world the world and Muslim countries. The GCC have actually shown immense restraint so far in the face of Iranian aggression.

As far as Pakistan is concerned, we should follow our interests and what benefits us. A Zionist Iran does not benefit us but Iran destroying GCC economy doesn’t benefit Pakistan either. IF Pakistan is forced to fight it should fight with its full capability. The regime in Iran should understand their current actions just turn the whole region against them and make it lose any sympathy it gained.
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You either are with the Zionists or against the Zionists. That is the only distinction to be made.

 

[EyelessInGaza]

A separate but related point is that this problem is not lost on everyone inside the military either. There are clearly many people, including at senior levels, who understand that the old playbook is exhausted and that Pakistan cannot keep running on the same assumptions forever. But recognizing decay and staking your career on trying to reverse it are two very different things. A lot of people are effectively thinking: why stick my neck out for momentum that either will not materialize or will get hijacked by yet another flawed political vehicle?

That is basically what happened with PTI. There was real sympathy for it in parts of the military and wider state because it seemed to offer an opening against the old dynastic and patronage driven model. But that support was eventually quashed because the party’s own figurehead and many of its key political actors were deeply inconsistent in principle, highly personalized in style, and increasingly looked less like the foundation of a new political culture and more like the beginnings of another quasi-dynastic project built around one man’s legitimacy. At that point, whatever reformist potential it had was undermined by the fact that its internal culture did not really match the scale of the change it claimed to represent.

If anything, one could argue that Jamaat-e-Islami, despite being ideologically troubling in other ways, has often looked more internally merit-based and organizationally coherent than what PTI was drifting toward. And unlike PTI’s leadership, it likely would have handled the GCC relationship with more caution and continuity rather than trying to posture through it. But even that would still run into the same deeper barrier: the military establishment is too conditioned by its inherited assumptions, external dependencies, and institutional fears to seriously rewrite the strategic script without feeling like it is gambling with the state itself.

That is the tragedy of it. Pakistan does not really have a leader who understands both Pakistan as a state and Pakistanis as a society, and I separate those two deliberately. Most leaders either understand the mechanics of the state but not the people, or they understand the public mood but cannot translate that into pragmatic statecraft. The only forces that have consistently shown they understand both are the two dynastic camps, but they understand them mainly as instruments to preserve and expand their own power, not to genuinely rebuild the country.

This is OT, a bit.

I logged on after a while just to say that this and your last few posts are very fine writing. Evocative, sharply analytical, and stylistically a pleasure to read.

As someone who’s been around content creation and consumption half my life, I seriously advise you to consider publishing. Do think about it, if you haven’t already. Given what I see here I would read whatever you write, a blog, article or book.

 

[PakAl]

Pardon me but some people really need to get their basic vocabulary correct. The amount of illteracy is astronomical. Specially get your basics right about the meaning of the word "Defence".

Definitions of defence in Legal terms:
The act of defending someone or something against attack or injury.

Saudi Arabia attacking another country is NOT defence specially when Saudis are hosting US bases being used to attack Iran. Iran is simply defending itself. And if Saudis decide to attack Iran then Pakistan is under NO LEGAL obligation to assist Saudis. IT IS AS SIMPLE AS THAT BUT GOONS SPECIALLY PTI PAID BOTS WANT TO SPREAD DISINFORMATION ALONG WITH THEIR INDIAN, AFGHAN AND JEWISH BUDDIES !!

Saudis are allowing Usa to use its airspace and bases to attack Iran, also shooting down iranian missiles/drones, Iran is attacking Saudis and Pakistan will send army to defend Saudis, if we shoot at Iran missiles or Saudis then bomb Iran, Iran attack on Saudis will increase which may harm our soldiers. It be a perfect excuse for Saudis to gather Muslim states together against the evil. In certain Masjids, on social media, 24 7 propaganda is promoted against Iran, attacking Iranian evil history to their sect, one quoted quran and hadith to back up their claim, they want general public to turn against Iran but so far its not working. This is why Pakistan must inform GCC to not allow their territory to be used.

 

[RescueRanger]

Is this the wargame you created? Or something else?

This is the current proposed plan of Pakistan Navy for escort of vessels in our EEZ from SOH.

 

[PakAl]

If Pakistan has agreements with Saudi, it must honour them. We are a reliable ally not an untrustworthy one. Iran should focus its attacks on israel.
India has been using Iran against Pakistan for decades. Khulbushan entered Pakistan from Iran. Pakistan didn’t go to war with Iran over its strategic support to India.
Iran supported the American invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Iran had secret contact with israel for decades.

Everything isn’t black and white as it seems. Yes Zionist regime is against all Muslims, but what benefit does harming GCC economy bring? Even though GCC are allied with USA, you can’t deny the support they’ve provided for millions of Muslims around the world the world and Muslim countries. The GCC have actually shown immense restraint so far in the face of Iranian aggression.

As far as Pakistan is concerned, we should follow our interests and what benefits us. A Zionist Iran does not benefit us but Iran destroying GCC economy doesn’t benefit Pakistan either. IF Pakistan is forced to fight it should fight with its full capability. The regime in Iran should understand their current actions just turn the whole region against them and make it lose any sympathy it gained.
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Stop with the fake propaganda. Didnt Saudis support zionist attack on Iraq Afghanistan Libya Syria Yemen. The reason Iran is attacking GCC is because they are shooting at Iranian missiles and drones, they also have Usa airbases and allow their airspace to be used against Iran.

 

[Venom]

This is the current proposed plan of Pakistan Navy for escort of vessels in our EEZ from SOH.

So this is after they are allowed to pass through SOH with Iranian consent?

 

[RescueRanger]

SOH with Iranian consent?

What do you think?

 

[Venom]

What do you think?

I think this is after SOH that as PN and PLAN are providing escort and protection around Pakistani coast and between Gawadar and Karachi. I do not see any coverage to ensure passage through SOH.

 

[RescueRanger]

I think this is after SOH that as PN and PLAN are providing escort and protection around Pakistani coast and between Gawadar and Karachi. I do not see any coverage to ensure passage through SOH.

To be honest I don't know how far this extended - we have tugs with AIS on in port of Oman tugging something large...

We don't know what role PLA Navy is playing. Land route is another option that is why Gawadar is strategic corridor for CPEC 2.0.

 

[Venom]

To be honest I don't know how far this extended - we have tugs with AIS on in port of Oman tugging something large...

We don't know what role PLA Navy is playing. Land route is another option that is why Gawadar is strategic corridor for CPEC 2.0.

I mean of Pakistan can ensure coverage on its side, that still a big piece of puzzle that will be solved.
In terms of Pakistan involvement- what are Pakistans options realistically? Is it just deployment of forces in SA under their command? PN Escorting missions with some collaboration with partners like PLAN? Or is there plans to deploy boots on ground from Baluchistan side, which IMO will be suicidal.

 

[RescueRanger]

I mean of Pakistan can ensure coverage on its side, that still a big piece of puzzle that will be solved.
In terms of Pakistan involvement- what are Pakistans options realistically? Is it just deployment of forces in SA under their command? PN Escorting missions with some collaboration with partners like PLAN? Or is there plans to deploy boots on ground from Baluchistan side, which IMO will be suicidal.

We don't have the full picture yet. This will likely become a multi national operation going forward. I will try to post on this later. Would love to see others contribute too.

Realistic posts only, and for the love of God can we all lay of sharing what Pakistani YouTubers have to say on this .

 

[RescueRanger]

Or is there plans to deploy boots on ground from Baluchistan side,

1. Why would we? To what end?
2. It won't be "suicidal"

You all give Pakistan too little credit. We are not some fat lazy peace force, we have a battle tested armed force.

Let's cool down with the doomer logic.

 

[mythbuster]

We don't have the full picture yet. This will likely become a multi national operation going forward. I will try to post on this later. Would love to see others contribute too.

Realistic posts only, and for the love of God can we all lay of sharing what Pakistani YouTubers have to say on this .

Once you cross the soh , I don't see any threat to shipping.... what's the point of escorting by pn ?.... Iranian stance has mellowed , it's allowing the ships of non hostile nations to pass through..
Chances of widening regional war limited

 

[Michael]

To be honest I don't know how far this extended - we have tugs with AIS on in port of Oman tugging something large...

We don't know what role PLA Navy is playing. Land route is another option that is why Gawadar is strategic corridor for CPEC 2.0.

I have not seen any indication on Chinese social media that the PLAN has a similar initiative of this nature.

The PLAN's escort task force in the Gulf of Aden consists of three vessels (1x Type 052D, 1x Type 054A, and 1x Type 903A); effectively, there are only two combat vessels in the group. It is only during the rotation periods between two escort task forces that the PLAN maintains a presence of six vessels in the region.
Currently, the 48th Escort Task Force is conducting escort missions in this maritime region. They departed from China in mid-October 2025. In accordance with established protocol, the 49th Escort Task Force—their designated relief—should soon be departing from China en route to the region.

One Possibility:

Given the current situation in the region, the 48th Escort Task Force may have its return to China postponed. They could potentially continue to participate in escort missions, or they might engage in various military activities alongside the navies of other friendly nations.

Given the relationship between China and Iran, it is unlikely that China would dispatch warships to participate in the escort program for the Strait of Hormuz (SOH). However, Chinese reconnaissance assets will closely monitor the area to guard against any parties employing "false flag" tactics to attack Chinese civilian vessels.

For well-known reasons, the Chinese trade corridor associated with the CPEC has yet to become operational. Consequently, Chinese import and export cargo cannot currently be transported via the "Gwadar–Kashgar" route.