Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[RescueRanger]

Once you cross the soh , I don't see any threat to shipping.... what's the point of escorting by pn ?

We don't have the full picture about what threats are faced by shipping in that lane, it's all 2nd and 3rd hand info.

 

[I*R*A]

How many terror attacks has Zainabiyoun carried out in Pakistan?

What is the guarantee that they won't attack Pakistan if the ayatullah declares jihad on Pakistan? What was the need for them to go to another country and fight for someone else? Religious duty?

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I had mentioned earlier on this thread that iran went overboard with its response, targeting airports and infrastructure of sheikhs. (watandar laughed at my post).

iran better be sensible and keep it limited to iran vs israel & USA ... that is an illegal war imposed on them and they have all the right to respond to it and target all legitimate military targets anywhere.

The day iran succeeds in making it iran vs Arab war, millions of innocent iranians will die. Like they did in iraq and afghanistan. They need to understand this.

And I hope Pakistani Shiite will not make it difficult for rest of Pakistanis to choose between Makkah and Tehran.

Watandar This time you are cordially invited to laugh at this post too.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

If Pakistan has agreements with Saudi, it must honour them. We are a reliable ally not an untrustworthy one. Iran should focus its attacks on israel.
India has been using Iran against Pakistan for decades. Khulbushan entered Pakistan from Iran. Pakistan didn’t go to war with Iran over its strategic support to India.
Iran supported the American invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Iran had secret contact with israel for decades.

Everything isn’t black and white as it seems. Yes Zionist regime is against all Muslims, but what benefit does harming GCC economy bring? Even though GCC are allied with USA, you can’t deny the support they’ve provided for millions of Muslims around the world the world and Muslim countries. The GCC have actually shown immense restraint so far in the face of Iranian aggression.

As far as Pakistan is concerned, we should follow our interests and what benefits us. A Zionist Iran does not benefit us but Iran destroying GCC economy doesn’t benefit Pakistan either. IF Pakistan is forced to fight it should fight with its full capability. The regime in Iran should understand their current actions just turn the whole region against them and make it lose any sympathy it gained.
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A conflict with Iran should really be avoided at all costs. At the end of the day, they are a neighbour and we have 2 problematic ones already.

Saudi can't possibly give enough benefits to deal with the geopolitical risks that could follow after.

 

[I*R*A]

A conflict with Iran should really be avoided at all costs. At the end of the day, they are a neighbour and we have 2 problematic ones already.

Saudi can't possibly give enough benefits to deal with the geopolitical risks that could follow after.

This is time for iran to respect Pakistan's difficult position and listen to us. Pakistan has proven multiple times that it doesn't want and wish wars between Muslim countries (irrespective of sect ), Yemen being the prime example. If iran keeps making it difficult for Pakistan than it is them to blame and not Pakistan.

Afterall it weren't Pakistanis celebrating recent attacks on iran, it were the iranians themselves.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

This is time for iran to respect Pakistan's difficult position and listen to us. Pakistan has proven multiple times that it doesn't want and wish wars between Muslim countries (irrespective of sect ), Yemen being the prime example. If iran keeps making it difficult for Pakistan than it is them to blame and not Pakistan.

Afterall it weren't Pakistanis celebrating recent attacks on iran, it were the iranians themselves.

I understand what you're saying partially, but let's run with this then, and say Pakistan actively sides with Saudi Arabia militarily against Iran:

Are you prepared to deal with now (3) hostile neighbours co-ordinating, do you even have the capability to?

The Saudis are sitting quite a distant away with tons of money to spend on defense, meanwhile we already have India and Afghanistan to deal with and a failed economy.

Unless Saudis give us like 100$ billion yearly, and we get major diplomatic leeway for regional power plays by Washington for our own interests & protection, it's not worth it, never mind the domestic back lash will be extraordinary.

 

[I*R*A]

Are you prepared to deal with now (3) hostile neighbours co-ordinating, do you even have the capability to?

Do you seriously think that india would dare attack Pakistan in such a scenario, considering israel the fatherland is also involved with USA? Do you really think that mother of all proxies can go against sheikhs and attack us?

In such a scenario iran would be more worried about ground invasion and multiple insurgencies. They will become other syria and Libia.

 

[Venom]

We don't have the full picture yet. This will likely become a multi national operation going forward. I will try to post on this later. Would love to see others contribute too.

Realistic posts only, and for the love of God can we all lay of sharing what Pakistani YouTubers have to say on this .

I agree; but I am just asking based on capabilities Pakistan have, what are the options Pakistan has to help
Saudis against Iran in this conflict?

 

[Venom]

1. Why would we? To what end?
2. It won't be "suicidal"

You all give Pakistan too little credit. We are not some fat lazy peace force, we have a battle tested armed force.

Let's cool down with the doomer logic.

As I said it was a question if that is a realistic option for Pak. I called it suicidal based on the current insurgency in Baluchistan. Wouldn’t BLA target supply lines and logistics in such an incursion from land into Iran. Do we have enough tanks, APCs, IFVs to fight into Iranian land.

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Do you seriously think that india would dare attack Pakistan in such a scenario, considering israel the fatherland is also involved with USA? Do you really think that mother of all proxies can go against sheikhs and attack us?

In such a scenario iran would be more worried about ground invasion and multiple insurgencies. They will become other syria and Libia.

You're assuming everything magically goes to plan when it rarely does, plus, Iran will remember and hold a grudge. You need to think long-term.

Unless there are major benefits from the Saudis and major diplomatic concessions in other areas, as well as a feasible defence plan in the long term without our "allies" renegading on their promises, you'll dig yourself into a hole that they won't be dealing with the consequences of, but you would.

 

[Mighty_Dragon_Strike]

Hi,

Cry me a river---. I donot argue with anyone---. It is an illusion you need to come out of---.

scratch the surface of ignorance, and you will often find pride hiding underneath.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

TBC

@Bratva

So, What is in Pakistan's best interest?
Does that include US bases in the region?
Does that include zionist dominion over the Middle East?
Does that include strategic GCC economic relationship/partnership with India?
Does that include Pakistan fighting a war of aggression on behalf of Saudi Arabia against Iran, Pakistan's immediate neighbor?
Where does Saudi figure in when Pakistan has ongoing clashes against Afghanistan and a hostile neighbor in East? Or, is that a one way street?

Your whole argument is based on absolute dirt poor labor and facility afforded to Pakistan at 3.5% APR!
And nothing more...

Pakistan needs fraction of trade that GCC affords rest of the world while keeping Pakistanis as cheap unskilled trash receptacle holders! A fraction of billions it imports in poultry and red meats from Australia/New Zealand. A fraction of finished goods orders. The actual bases and fraction of those billions in military gear. Fraction of what it pours in VC's and hot money investments around the world.

Pakistan has no interest in fighting a war against Iran that it DOES NOT want.... Detrimental to its cause, philosophy and standing. NATO just refused siding with THE US, PROVIDING MATERIAL SUPPORT for its unprovoked aggression. A country without which NATO is meaningless. Let that sink in!

Europe owes more to US than anything Pakistan does to anyone in GCC ... where it has only profited the sheikhdoms. Pakistan has saved these monarchies and they know it... yet they feel emboldened on the backs of US guarantees to overlook core geopolitical and geoeconomic interests of regional states. IMEC the corridor detrimental to Pakistan's core interests and priorities. One under flux only because of current morass. One to undermine CPEC and, US's... China containment policy
Remember GCC is one of the core regions supplying liquidity to a sinking western system because they take in a lot more than their needs ... GCC holds massive sovereign funds north of $5 trillion among other investment and financial vehicles... providing the liquidity that feed the stocks, bonds, infrastructure, development and research projects. A liquidity once pulled will bankrupt a lot of corporations overnight. A liquidity that could have lifted the region and beyond from their centuries of bondage and destitution.

Anyways, I think you said you know... the (cold) hard facts...

 

[I*R*A]

Iran will remember and hold a grudge.

Should Pakistan hold the grudges too then? There is plenty for that.

I will prefer a weaker iran holding as many as grudges as it wants.

The stronger iran with all its chahbahar schemes couldn't do anything concrete against Pakistan, then an invaded weakened iran can try whatever it wants.

They better put their shit together and just fight the justified war, no need for them to avenge historical defeats.

 

[SD 10]

What is the guarantee that they won't attack Pakistan if the ayatullah declares jihad on Pakistan? What was the need for them to go to another country and fight for someone else? Religious duty?

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I had mentioned earlier on this thread that iran went overboard with its response, targeting airports and infrastructure of sheikhs. (watandar laughed at my post).

iran better be sensible and keep it limited to iran vs israel & USA ... that is an illegal war imposed on them and they have all the right to respond to it and target all legitimate military targets anywhere.

The day iran succeeds in making it iran vs Arab war, millions of innocent iranians will die. Like they did in iraq and afghanistan. They need to understand this.

And I hope Pakistani Shiite will not make it difficult for rest of Pakistanis to choose between Makkah and Tehran.

Watandar This time you are cordially invited to laugh at this post too.

Why are you so hurt for a third country that doesnot matter to us?

 

[Hopefully Pessimistic]

Should Pakistan hold the grudges too then? There is plenty for that.

I will prefer a weaker iran holding as many as grudges as it wants.

The stronger iran with all its chahbahar schemes couldn't do anything concrete against Pakistan, then an invaded weakened iran can try whatever it wants.

They better put their shit together and just fight the justified war, no need for them to avenge historical defeats.

You are ignoring my more major concerns, over the long-term and actual benefits we get from fighting Saudi's war.

You are rushing in emotionally, I'm viewing this pragmatically long-term and regionally.

 

[mythbuster]

What is the guarantee that they won't attack Pakistan if the ayatullah declares jihad on Pakistan? What was the need for them to go to another country and fight for someone else? Religious duty?

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I had mentioned earlier on this thread that iran went overboard with its response, targeting airports and infrastructure of sheikhs. (watandar laughed at my post).

iran better be sensible and keep it limited to iran vs israel & USA ... that is an illegal war imposed on them and they have all the right to respond to it and target all legitimate military targets anywhere.

The day iran succeeds in making it iran vs Arab war, millions of innocent iranians will die. Like they did in iraq and afghanistan. They need to understand this.

And I hope Pakistani Shiite will not make it difficult for rest of Pakistanis to choose between Makkah and Tehran.

Watandar This time you are cordially invited to laugh at this post too.

Problem is Iranian military capacity , it's not good enough to significantly hurt Israel and America so she lashes out at gulf states....easy targets.