Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

SD 10 said:
Why are you so hurt for a third country that doesnot matter to us?
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You telling me this means you are also hurt by this for a third country.

One is Pakistan .. who are the second and third countries?

If you are implying that I side with Arabs on this, yes I do, because they haven't attacked iran. If they wanted they could from first missile hitting their infrastructure turn all this region into chaos, so yes I respect their patience and their restraint. If you haven't noticed Americans are on record badmouthing Arabs for not taking active part in this conflict.
 
I*R*A said:
You telling me this means you are also hurt by this for a third country.

One is Pakistan .. who are the second and third countries?

If you are implying that I side with Arabs on this, yes I do, because they haven't attacked iran. If they wanted they could from first missile hitting their infrastructure turn all this region into chaos, so yes I respect their patience and their restraint. If you haven't noticed Americans are on record badmouthing Arabs for not taking active part in this conflict.
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Arabs very much deserve what they are getting. They cant control their airspace, what kind of a respectable country does that? An enemy is using their airspace to attack another country and all they do is cry.
 
Hopefully Pessimistic said:
A conflict with Iran should really be avoided at all costs. At the end of the day, they are a neighbour and we have 2 problematic ones already.

Saudi can't possibly give enough benefits to deal with the geopolitical risks that could follow after.
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Let's do some cruel and pessimistic analysis.....if Pakistan joins hands with gulfies , Saudis , Israelis and Americans in a war with Iran , do you think Iran has any chance to come out of it without unconditional surrender? .....if Iran surrenders , would the allies allow her to retain any capacity to create problems in the region ? ....only thing that is going to hurt Pakistan is the image that it sided with the enemies of islam ...that too if you consider every country other than Iran as non Islamic.
 
From my strong perspective, it is in Pakistan's best interest to avoid a third front war against Iran since Pakistan has already faced two front wars - you already know it.

We can see clearly that Saudi Arabia + some minion countries (UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Jordan, etc) are really completely part of Epstein Coalition/Zionist axis, we must avoid it.

These coward Arab countries wanted to bring American and Israel planes into their own lands to attack other Muslim countries, these people are not smart or well-educated, totally dumb.

Our BEST interest for Pakistan is to modify the mutual defense pact again (version 2 and version 3) - let's improve the contract again to make it the final contract better. The first contract is always a poor decision. Look at Turkey's hesitation.

Try negotiation again and share perspectives.

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SD 10 said:
Arabs very much deserve what they are getting. They cant control their airspace, what kind of a respectable country does that? An enemy is using their airspace to attack another country and all they do is cry.
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What is this supposed to mean? was iran able to prevent the air attacks on its soil?

Come on man, stop trying to make iran look like an angel. You support iran against arabs, say it clearly, I will understand that.
 
Lets get back to brass-tacks:
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Pakistan is arguably the most vulnerable South Asian economy to this conflict due to its near-total reliance on Gulf energy.
  • Energy Crisis: 80–85% of Pakistan's oil and 99% of its LNG (primarily from Qatar) pass through the Strait. With QatarEnergy declaring Force Majeure, Pakistan is facing a catastrophic fuel shortage.
  • Inflation Surge: Brent crude has surged past $120 per barrel. Domestically, petrol prices have already jumped by over 55 PKR per liter in March, with inflation projected to hit 15–18% by next month.
  • Industrial Shutdown: Gas rationing has begun, prioritizing households over industry. Sectors like textiles and fertilizer production are facing indefinite "load shedding," threatening export revenues.
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Hopefully Pessimistic said:
You are ignoring my more major concerns, over the long-term and actual benefits we get from fighting Saudi's war.

You are rushing in emotionally, I'm viewing this pragmatically long-term and regionally.
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I am not one bit emotional about it. I have said enough against sheikhs. But if comes to it, any opportunity that makes Pakistan gain the upper hand and respect in that region is a plus for Pakistan and Pakistanis. It will reverse any gains that cunning india made there, it will ensure all kind of unconditional support from that region against any future conflict with india. It will ensure that our afghan issue is resolved once and forever. There will be no more indian networks operating from our two brotherly countries to harm us, gulfies will be forced to drop their support for any terrorist outfits and respect Gawadar. China will feel confident with a much more stronger ally.

I am not sure what is your worry? We will be siding with infidels? So do iran and afghanistan.
 
Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ said:
TBC

@Bratva

So, What is in Pakistan's best interest?
Does that include US bases in the region?
Does that include zionist dominion over the Middle East?
Does that include strategic GCC economic relationship/partnership with India?
Does that include Pakistan fighting a war of aggression on behalf of Saudi Arabia against Iran, Pakistan's immediate neighbor?
Where does Saudi figure in when Pakistan has ongoing clashes against Afghanistan and a hostile neighbor in East? Or, is that a one way street?

Your whole argument is based on absolute dirt poor labor and facility afforded to Pakistan at 3.5% APR!
And nothing more...

Pakistan needs fraction of trade that GCC affords rest of the world while keeping Pakistanis as cheap unskilled trash receptacle holders! A fraction of billions it imports in poultry and red meats from Australia/New Zealand. A fraction of finished goods orders. The actual bases and fraction of those billions in military gear. Fraction of what it pours in VC's and hot money investments around the world.

Pakistan has no interest in fighting a war against Iran that it DOES NOT want.... Detrimental to its cause, philosophy and standing. NATO just refused siding with THE US, PROVIDING MATERIAL SUPPORT for its unprovoked aggression. A country without which NATO is meaningless. Let that sink in!

Europe owes more to US than anything Pakistan does to anyone in GCC ... where it has only profited the sheikhdoms. Pakistan has saved these monarchies and they know it... yet they feel emboldened on the backs of US guarantees to overlook core geopolitical and geoeconomic interests of regional states. IMEC the corridor detrimental to Pakistan's core interests and priorities. One under flux only because of current morass. One to undermine CPEC and, US's... China containment policy
Remember GCC is one of the core regions supplying liquidity to a sinking western system because they take in a lot more than their needs ... GCC holds massive sovereign funds north of $5 trillion among other investment and financial vehicles... providing the liquidity that feed the stocks, bonds, infrastructure, development and research projects. A liquidity once pulled will bankrupt a lot of corporations overnight. A liquidity that could have lifted the region and beyond from their centuries of bondage and destitution.

Anyways, I think you said you know... the (cold) hard facts...
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Have you seen @RescueRanger post#4117? Please go through it and let me know what you said in your post do you still stand by it ?and then accordingly we can then debate in the context of what If Saudi offers Hugh quantity of oil and fuel on extremely cheap price in exchange for our support and defense of Saudi and whatever you said in your post too.
 
RescueRanger said:
Lets get back to brass-tacks:
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Pakistan is arguably the most vulnerable South Asian economy to this conflict due to its near-total reliance on Gulf energy.
  • Energy Crisis: 80–85% of Pakistan's oil and 99% of its LNG (primarily from Qatar) pass through the Strait. With QatarEnergy declaring Force Majeure, Pakistan is facing a catastrophic fuel shortage.
  • Inflation Surge: Brent crude has surged past $120 per barrel. Domestically, petrol prices have already jumped by over 55 PKR per liter in March, with inflation projected to hit 15–18% by next month.
  • Industrial Shutdown: Gas rationing has begun, prioritizing households over industry. Sectors like textiles and fertilizer production are facing indefinite "load shedding," threatening export revenues.
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I don't understand the purpose of this fear mongering , have we decided to attack Iran and mentally preparing the public for it ?
 
I*R*A said:
I am not one bit emotional about it. I have said enough against sheikhs. But if comes to it, any opportunity that makes Pakistan gain the upper hand and respect in that region is a plus for Pakistan and Pakistanis. It will reverse any gains that cunning india made there, it will ensure all kind of unconditional support from that region against any future conflict with india. It will ensure that our afghan issue is resolved once and forever. There will be no more indian networks operating from our two brotherly countries to harm us, gulfies will be forced to drop their support for any terrorist outfits and respect Gawadar. China will feel confident with a much more stronger ally.

I am not sure what is your worry? We will be siding with infidels? So do iran and afghanistan.
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My worry is getting actual tangible benefits in return like I mentioned above, fighting for nothing or minimal gains isn't worth it. Ideally means major economic and diplomatic concessions.

Aslo we want to make sure the long-term regional security landscape is in our favour, a future trilateral alliance of our neighbours against us would not be good.
 
Bratva said:
Have you seen @RescueRanger post#4117? Please go through it and let me know what you said in your post do you still stand by it ?and then accordingly we can then debate in the context of what If Saudi offers Hugh quantity of oil and fuel on extremely cheap price in exchange for our support and defense of Saudi and whatever you said in your post too.
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— Wipe out all of our loans that we owe Saudi

— Half price oil

— $20 billion yearly economic aid minimum + 10$ billion minimum to sustain military readiness

— Diplomatic support in all our regional endevours
 
Geez, do people think that Iran is in a position to say NO to Pakistani ships??
 
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