Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[Pakistan Space Agency]

... , iran didnt prop up hezb they just supported them while zianabiyoun is a terror org no question about it hezb isnt ( even though they dont have good record in syria )

well they soon will be becasue of the labanese goverments inaction

makes no difference, focus on what they not where they operate

according to israelis that territory belongs to them, from nile to euphrates .so yes that makes it disputed


yes becasue that goverment is a puppet .


doesnt matter where they get their funding or training ( they will accept whoever helps)

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just this comment shows how ignorant you are
they will not prop up lebanon they will destroy it and capture it ,and right now hezb is the only one standing in their way , just like in 2006 when they tried and failed


then you can be happy with your cucked arabs and even be proud that you gave them aid in their refugee camps , and demand loyalty like emaratis do on social media .
always victim blaming

I think you've been online 24/7 for too long, and you're losing the plot. Not thinking rationally anymore.

 

[Oscar]

I mean come on, can we move past the whole supporters of a political do X/Y/Z?

At this point IMO the issue is the "shah kay shah say zyada wafadar" lot, just view their talk shows/tweets/articles. All government affiliated 'journalists' have taken up the anti-Shia mantel at this point. They are the ones pushing out the hafiz-e-harmain narrative, naturally you are going to get pushback. But I guess as a whole the level of discourse is just trash all over.


Well I guess the debts have to be due some day! Which is why adhoc decisions made on personal whims can sometimes backfire on a state level. Foreign policy and geopolitics cannot be left to the whime of individuals.

But the latest news from today provides some interesting background into Pakistan's future role. Arabs are definitely "scared" (not the most precise word) of Iran now, and would definitely be thinking the US isn't quite the golden goose they expected it to be.

Perhaps a new regional dynamic is coming to the fore? Time will tell. But at the end of the day, as long as we are beholden to the sheikhs for their oil money and bank deposits, we will always have very little maneuvering room.

Unfortunately until supporters of that political party cannot move past acting like - unfortunately the term we used to use for certain online Indians “Dehati aurat” - in their aggrieved baseless statements in every other aspect of discussion to then act sanctimonious - then those supporters have to tolerate the pushback.

As for the angle against the sect - one has to understand the demands made by certain religious leaders of the sect and more importantly well before this crisis ever rose the beholden nature of the religious and political leaders of this sect to Iran which basically through indoctrination and other means compels them to be more loyal to someone who was a local political figurehead as if he was greater than Imam Hussain.

And MANY of us have all agreed to this issue years before current events on Iran’s interference and usage of religion for this purpose - just as we have discussed GCC pet projects on militant activities against Iran.

And WE DECIDED in majority unless my memory fails that neither was acceptable to the general population regardless of sect or ethnicity or political alignment.

 

[hasssanali8998]

you're losing the plot

sure buddy whatever you say

 

[hasssanali8998]

 

[Oscar]

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That happens every year - Ive been to the ones in 2016-17

 

[Yasser76]

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The cope is funny but hides a serious point.

India was being built up as "net security provider" in the region. it has a massive Navy and Air Force (not a good one but big anyway).

It claims excellent relationships with the GCC and Iran

It is one of the biggest buyers of oil and supplier of manpower.

It claims to be a strategic ally of US and Israel

During this whole thing, Indian military and diplomatic presence was non existent.

 

[hasssanali8998]

That happens every year - Ive been to the ones in 2016-17

 

[PakFactor]

Hi,

I never had disagreement with Iran buying weapons from Israel---.

It is the american saying " sh-it happens in life ". You have to buy weapons for your survival as PAF bought parts from Israel.

Bottomine is that the GCC has been weak militarily for a longtime---. So---desperate moments bring about decisions that one would not have made if the situation was different.

As for the 80's war with Iraq---Iran was warned by the americans that war is coming---. Iran ignored that gesture---rather condemned it---. Afterwards the the americans supported the Iraqis---.

There was a research report by an American officer before the first Gulf War, a master's thesis, the main premise of the paper was that the regimes in the GCC, mostly KSA, keep their military at a level that prioritizes protecting the royal family or dictators and maintaining minimal border deterrence, relying on the Americans for security guarantees.

The regimes do not trust their own security forces and maintain an opposing force; you have two standing armies with separate command structures, a drain on resources.

Given the defense budgets the GCC collectively maintains, they should have had a military-industrial complex to keep their war machine fed and clothed, and a top-tier fighting force in terms of equipment and training. But you do not see it reflected, as it is by design. This should raise more questions as to where the money is going.

 

[Oscar]

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Considering that everything is political propaganda for some reason or another I would rather ensure that for those it did fly over it still connects that its nothing special

 

[hasssanali8998]

Considering that everything is political propaganda for some reason or another I would rather ensure that for those it did fly over it still connects that its nothing special

the nation salutes you

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

"net security provider"

It is for this reason alone that it is in Pakistan's interest for US to exit the region. Because under US patronage gulf can cozyup with India and zion... assuming that risks and pitfalls are mitigated under US umbrella and security architecture ... the rules based order shtick.

It therefore precludes Pakistan from its regional heft... makes it lighter for the gullible to walk over/past! India and zion more than ever want the status quo to prevail until their regional primacy is cemented at the cost of Middleeast and American presence. That will inevitably draw down over the coming years regardless of any conflict.

 

[313Ghazi]

I mean come on, can we move past the whole supporters of a political do X/Y/Z?

At this point IMO the issue is the "shah kay shah say zyada wafadar" lot, just view their talk shows/tweets/articles. All government affiliated 'journalists' have taken up the anti-Shia mantel at this point. They are the ones pushing out the hafiz-e-harmain narrative, naturally you are going to get pushback. But I guess as a whole the level of discourse is just trash all over.

It cant happen. The people on this forum on the whole always have been and will be faujeets. All sorts of gymnastics are possible to justify the juntas existence and its actions.

Literally the only time that changed was when they came directly for us.

 

[_Arabia_]

This is Riyadh (the most targeted region due to the proximity in KSA terms (140 km) of the Prince Sultan Air Base - during this imaginary non-existing war (in the case of KSA):

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Goes for all of KSA - whether the tiniest mountain, desert or coastal village to all the largest cities across the country whether north, south, central, west or east.

This was Abha (close to the North Yemeni border and a city located 2270 meters above sea level) a few days ago:

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Zero noise from the Houthi cult throughout.

Najran which sits right on the North Yemeni border yesterday:

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Reading this forum, it would appear like KSA is somehow facing an imaginary existential crisis 24/7 due to a few drones of which 99% are dealt with successfully. Drones that can barely damage anything of note to begin with.

Lastly if the Iranian regime goal was to remove the US from those small GCC states - they have failed (like usual) once again because regimes there have just publicly announced that their cooperation with the US will just increase after this. What is worse - expect Israel to get a greater foothold and cooperation in places like UAE, Bahrain and even Qatar and potentially Oman. So in other words - the publicly stated goals of the Iranian regime, removal of US and Israeli influence in the region, is now only going to backfire. This is actually a negative for KSA long term but once again wherever the Iranian Mullah regime is present - misery and failure follows.

 

[MastanKhan]

There was a research report by an American officer before the first Gulf War, a master's thesis, the main premise of the paper was that the regimes in the GCC, mostly KSA, keep their military at a level that prioritizes protecting the royal family or dictators and maintaining minimal border deterrence, relying on the Americans for security guarantees.

The regimes do not trust their own security forces and maintain an opposing force; you have two standing armies with separate command structures, a drain on resources.

Given the defense budgets the GCC collectively maintains, they should have had a military-industrial complex to keep their war machine fed and clothed, and a top-tier fighting force in terms of equipment and training. But you do not see it reflected, as it is by design. This should raise more questions as to where the money is going.

Hi,

You are correct in saying what you wrote---. That would create militaries with the african dictator capabilities but not a fighting force to combat modern warfare---.

So---for these nations---pakistan military on a permanent deployment was the perfect solution to their problem---.

Pak military had no intention of over throwing the govt or taking control---case in point Jordan---.

Remember one thing---The fight is in the DOG---. Nothing folds like a wet spaghetti when you pour water on it---.

For pakistanis---there is nowhere else to run---. The enemy is extremely combative---the enemy is five times the size---.

For arabs---it is not israel but it is the islamic type revolution---the mullah type / the al qaeda / isis type incursion---.

Least but not the last---why should we want them to protect their borders when we can do the job better---.

Our soldiers are willing---our soldiers are able---our soldiers are capable---.

 

[_Arabia_]

KSA is completely peaceful and nothing of worth has been touched let alone destroyed. Life continues as normal in every sphere, whether daily life, sports, international events, Umrah, economy etc.

In fact KSA is the biggest beneficiary of this conflict so far.

95% of what is reported on this forum and on X is utter delusional nonsense.

A good example:

https://x.com/Salansar1/status/2035096354846830815

Iran has had 10.000's of casualties, their leadership annihilated, 100's of billions of USD in material loses, most of their Air Force and navy annihilated, their missiles severely depleted, 100's of bases targeted and other infrastructure.

KSA in return has lost 2 people (1 Indian and 1 Bangladeshi expat), no material damage whatsoever other than very limited damage in Ras Tanura and Yanbu and nothing of worth destroyed in the Prince Sultan Air Base.

No amount of firecrackers (drones and Russian/Chinese/North Korean origin missiles) is going to change anything of notice in a country like KSA which is 1.5 times the size of Iran.

During the past 3-4 weeks KSA has made more money selling oil than the previous 3 months:

Saudi Arabia’s Red Sea Oil Exports Jump To Nearly 4 Million bpd | OilPrice.com

Saudi Arabia's oil exports through the Red Sea port of Yanbu are projected to reach a record 3.8 million barrels per day, bypassing the blockaded Strait of Hormuz despite new risks from regional conflicts.

oilprice.com

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/saudi-oil-pipeline-world-didn-190105113.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALhG6nYbqgzSRezmD7M-_LYGRLT8bGy21Vo47XH2l_2ro8F9uwhu0lD29GewIt-10NOkx5t-HbWN7VNKeS3sQhLeM7X1uv4yhZjqoWXj9RryPhbzCrZNe0enXgucobS-VieVlKQAu-IwFCtOXjKt_RNYHj8VyZMjCeJRtw6aIKBO

While the Arabized Mullah enemy regime is getting carpet bombed and humiliated in front of the entire world, 1 sovereign wealth fund from KSA (PIF) has within just the span of 12 months earned the equivalent of 3/4 of the entire Iranian GDP.

PIF assets rise to $1.15T​

02/01/2026 Argaam

Logo of Public Investment Fund (PIF)

The Public Investment Fund (PIF) ranked fifth among the world’s largest sovereign wealth funds (SWFs), after its net assets amounted to $1.15 trillion, recent data from the SWF Institute showed.

PIF's assets rose by $226 billion from $925 billion by the end of December 2024.

PIF assets rise to $1.15T

The Public Investment Fund (PIF) ranked fifth among the world’s largest sovereign wealth funds (SWFs), after its net assets amounted to $1.15 trillion

www.argaam.com

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Ukrainians are probably the most talented and capable people in the world in this regard. Their experience and sharing of intelligence is invaluable. KSA has been a good friend towards Ukraine as well and KSA is trusted by Ukraine.

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Numerous Chinese drones have been made within KSA for years - several local alterations exist as well.

Extremely interesting what our friend Faisal Abbas spoke about concerning the KSA-Ukraine deal of purchasing Ukraine drone technology. Apparently the Ukrainian army has great success stopping Russian drones with drones that cost just 1000 USD to produce. KSA will acquire this technology and in return help Ukraine economically.

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KSA has extensive experience shooting down drones and ballistic missiles - one of the most experienced armies in the world in this regard.

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Mullah regime supporters are living in some alternative universe where they are somehow "winning" by being carpet bombed 24/7.

Zero damage to the US and Israel as well. Less than 20 US and Israeli soldiers killed. It is all a big joke. Targeting infrastructure in tiny Bahrain, UAE, Kuwait and Qatar (extremely limited overall) is some kind of victory now?

Iraqi Sunni Arab insurgents armed with light weaponry, on a good day, used to kill at times, 20 US soldiers, in a single day (sometimes more) during the height of the insurgency. Just to put it into perspective.

It is very hilarious to witness the usual suspects and their usual comedy in this regard. Personally I am having many good laughs reading some of the nonsense here and elsewhere. Long may it continue.

As for wars with Iranians - they are yet to win a single war against Arabs in their entire history - so let us not even go there.